pistol vs french fencing

[soos]

non veeco (du moins je pense pas), c comme des poignee francaise (cross) style allstar noires, mais avec le 2eme ergo plus baleze ... generalement grises, mais bien avec 2 ergos ....

[edelstein]

It's good to know what other fencers think. I did dredge up other threads in this forum about the flicks, which for me is a new trick I cannot do, and probably won't for a while, besides,nobody is willing to lend his/her back to practice flicks. My coach is perhaps the only one around that encourages the french style, I'll ask him about those flick tricks, I'm almost sure he disapproves it as well as pistol grips. I've been once to another fencing school (there are very few in mexico city, fencing is not a hot sport) and the coach there saw my french grip and said, why do you use that grip, it's not good, all his students use pistol, and it's true, they are ranked among the first national places. Not only because of the pistol but also they use a lot of that flicking around and tricks. Anyway, I'm impressed at Tim's (sellearmourer) comment about his wife who uses french and can disarm others, I've always heard it the other way around. Gav mentioned the Ecrime saying not to abandon the french prematurely, well, that is precisely what most fencers do here, and many get good results. I would love to have enough experience to defeat all those flick-and-other-tricks fencers. I hate it when we bout and they say oh, a newbie I can practice my flicks on.

[veeco]

Originally posted by soos:
<STRONG>non veeco (du moins je pense pas), c comme des poignee francaise (cross) style allstar noires, mais avec le 2eme ergo plus baleze ... generalement grises, mais bien avec 2 ergos ....</STRONG>

Plus balaises que sur les poignees cross francaises (ou bien Belgian grip)?
La tu me poses une colle.
Mais bon, moi je tire a la poignee droite, donc pas d'emerdemments

[soos]

ouep , mais pas bien plus baleze non plus, je trouverais bien des photos hehe... c est juste des petites differences ki te donnes plus de force pour les fouets... genre, un deuxieme ergo un peu plus gros et plus "droit", donc ki permet de bien bloquer le mouvement sans avoir a trop serre la main ... t obtiens a peu pres le meme effet sur une poignee cross francaise avec du scotch ....

cela dit ca reste beaucoup plus fin que cette merde de viconti .... ca c est vraiment pour les bucherons et les balayeurs de mouches...

PS : poignee droite pour toi ! ben heureusement, sinon honte sur toi, je sais pas si ca se fait les epeistes francais avec des poignes cross, ou alors y sont consideres comme les fleuretistes ki tirent a la visconti hahahahah

PS : yankees involved in THE bet seem to have no honour !!! where r my verses

[veeco]

I think that d8m was at the World Champs. He'll be back with your poetry soon, probably.

[veeco]

Originally posted by soos:
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PS : poignee droite pour toi ! ben heureusement, sinon honte sur toi, je sais pas si ca se fait les epeistes francais avec des poignes cross, ou alors y sont consideres comme les fleuretistes ki tirent a la visconti hahahahah
</STRONG>

Obry, DiMartino, Leroux sont des exemples d'epeeistes francais qui tirent a la poignee cross.
Je crois que Delhomme est a la cross aussi,
ainsi que Jerome Jeannet (lui je suis moins
sur mais il me semble que quand on tirait en juniors sur le circuit il etait en cross).

[oiuyt]

PS : yankees involved in THE bet seem to have no honour !!! where r my verses

Who cares about the verses, I'll be happy if they can just stop hitting game tying HRs in the 9th. Can't they just quietly lose already?

-B

[soos]

heuu le n1 des jeannet bros est a la droite je crois bien (souvenir du dernier relais de la 3eme place...) et sreki il etait pas a la droite ? au moins tous les epeistes sont pas pourris hehe

AND about THE VERSES !

I do care about those verses ! that was the stake of our bet, and as i was very directly involved in this bet, i want my poeme !!

i ve taken huge risks having this bet , and now u want to prevent me from having my prize !!?? booooo bad boy !

betting without prizes is like working without salary !

[masterrock]

I say you should just go with what works. If you keep getting your butt beat against pistol grips, maybe you should "try" one.

[damianip]

Originally posted by veeco:
<STRONG>
Obry, DiMartino, Leroux sont des exemples d'epeeistes francais qui tirent a la poignee cross.
Je crois que Delhomme est a la cross aussi,
ainsi que Jerome Jeannet (lui je suis moins
sur mais il me semble que quand on tirait en juniors sur le circuit il etait en cross).</STRONG>

Je crois que Fabrice Jeannet tire avec une poignée droite mais, son frére tire avec une poignée orthopédique.

Peut-être je suis un peu confondré. Fabrice est "droiter" et Jerome est "gaucher", n'est-ce pas?

Je ne sais pas concernant Delhomme.

Paolo

[ 11-04-2001: Message edited by: damianip ]

[DamedEscrime]

Le non, aucun,no Soos, le Visconti est la seule poignée. Il me fait la sensation comme j'ai quelque chose à tenir sur. J'aime cette grande poignée beaucoup. Elle se sent correcte dans ma main. Ce n'est pas ****y comme vous avez dit.

Vous aviez escrime dix-neuf années? Êtes-vous la classe de vétéran comme moi?

[ 11-03-2001: Message edited by: DamedEscrime ]

[Scaramouche]

Hi my name is Jess and I'm a Novice fencer also.....

As my coach always says, "If you can fence with a French grip, you can fence with anything." Forget about those pistol grips for a while and just concentrate on mastering that French! Then try pistol.

Personally I'm finally getting used to this stick they call the French grip! And what frightens me more is I'm actually getting to LIKE it!

Good luck finding your perfect grip!

[DamedEscrime]

Oh, I liked my French grip quite well. I really didn't want to change to pistol. But my coach insisted and you know what? He knew what was better for me. My hand is very strong and I needed better tip control which the pistol gave me. It just took time to get used to the feel of it at first. Now the French feels weird and I have a harder time with it than before. Go figure.

[soos]

hehe DamedEscrime, i m only 25 (with 19 years of foil) ... so i m simply a senior ... not a veteran yet arggggghhhhhh

[Moonitic]

I've been fencing for 7 years, 4 of them competitively. For 6 of those years, I've used a pistol grip (foil). The smallest visconti made. I, personally, love it & I've tried out other grips. It is small & lightweight...perfect for me. I have NO wrist strength with a French (straight) grip, & don't have to worry about losing my weapon. To each, I suppose, his own. If it helps you to gain confidence & score touches, then go for whatever you need to go for.

[Moonitic]

I should note that not "everyone" flicks. I don't. I know a lot of others who don't, either. And yes, it is something that can be thwarted.

[wddragon]

Here is my 2 cents!
First of all, when I start fencing in the early 80's, most competition won't even allow pistol grip.
When I first learn how to fence, my coach insisted on using French grip because you got more point control with a French grip.
And I agree on that, but when it come to the whipping/beat attack, pistol will be the grip of choice for me because of it power.
But looking back, I think I benifit alot from using French grip when I first learn
fencing, because I can't base my tactics on power, I have to rely on my point control.
But don't get me wrong, since I switch over to pistol grip after my second year, I don't think I can even go back to French grip.
The bottom line is try both, and choose the one that fit your fencing style.

[sabreur]

My only comment is that I'm glad I fence sabre...

Although there are sabre fencers who can get into equally inane discussions about their preferences in bell guards.

Regards, MR

[soos]

hehe