IOC trying to reduce 3 weapons to only 1?

[DarkTransient]

Originally posted by d8m:
<STRONG>Free form fencing.
We could call it 'Extreme Fencing'.
Or 'Ultimate Fencing Championship'!
[ 08-20-2001: Message edited by: d8m ]</STRONG>

Since you came up with this idea, I am afraid you are going to have to be the first one to try it.

[veeco]

Originally posted by DarkTransient:
<STRONG>The whole point of point system IS to remove right of way.

And, if using advaned technology to make fencing more realistic automatically translate to you as using real blades, than I can't help you there, obviously the word technology doesn't mean the same thing to us.</STRONG>

The way I see technology in sport is twofold:

1- Increase security (fencing can benefit from this and has already benefited from it).

2- Increase performance. Several examples come to mind. In track for example, using tartan for the tracks and spiked shoes to provide better tracking. In swimming, the combination of better textile being used for the swimming suits and the chemical composition of the water providing a better glide.

In fencing, the use of high quality steels combined with better and stronger fabric in the uniforms has improved security and performance. That is evolution. Even though it is not a drastic change (the nature of the sport and the goal to achieve hasn't changed), fencing came out better of this.

What we are talking about here is different. We are changing the way the score is counted. In my opinion (and I think in most people's opinion), this would create a different sport. Not necessarily a less interesting or more attracting, it would just be a different game. It would just be like making a 4 point line in basketball that would be 5 feet after the 3 point lane, or count dunks as just one point.

I have not yet seen accounts of technology making a sport more "realistic". If that's the goal to achieve (making fencing more realistic), then I believe technology is not the solution. There are other alternatives to sport fencing which are more realistic from the duelling perspective. HF/CF are an attempt to recreate that. I don't have anything against them, but I see them as a different sport.

Technology: comes from the greek root "techne" which means "art, craft, skill" and -logy which means "talk, speech, speak".

My post was merely trying to assert the fact that the search for realism should not be considered as a holy grail of fencing. If we get too crazy at this, we will end up in some extremes which I think, can be detrimental to the sport. By bringing it to an extreme, I was trying to point out the fact that we could end up deteriorating the spirit of the sport we all love so much. Sorry if this sounded like a troll post. I guess we ought to have a "I'm just being sarcastic" graemlin.

[ 08-20-2001: Message edited by: veeco ]

[soos]

anyway if IOC is the olympic commetee (?!) there s a true thing : they r arseholes ! they want to reduce sports ? and fencing to 1 weapon ? i hope them to reduce swiming to 100m and athletics to 100m ... but still indroducing sport like beach volley, and soon beach soccer .. ???

ah yeah the best stuff i ve ever seen they indroduced "bridge" as an olympic sport !!

and now, they r to kill ancestral olympic sports ... yeah for sure, those guys must be dumb... yeah they r, dumb and corrupted.

IOC= idiots olympic commetee.

ps: nahh i m not angry...

ps : okay for "ultimate extreme WWF fencing federation figthing", and fist aim kill all the ppl in the IOC , cut there their heads and vomit into there necks...

[d8m]

Originally posted by soos:
<STRONG>
ps : okay for "ultimate extreme WWF fencing federation figthing", and fist aim kill all the ppl in the IOC , cut there their heads and vomit into there necks...</STRONG>

You definitely belong in the 'Ultimate Fencing Championship'!

What name are you going to call yourself?
Is that your signature move?
Everyone's gotta have a signature move...

[ 08-20-2001: Message edited by: d8m ]

[soos]

ah yeah for those who doubt that IOC is full of morons u must know 1 thing : they want to reduce fencing to 1 weapon cos they want less sports in OG ... but watch what tose idiots r to indroduce : http://www.bridge.gr/IOC/IOC.htm

enjoy guys !

[damianip]

Well, they are officially called the Olympic Games.

Paolo

[veeco]

"Accordingly, the IOC has requested confirmation that 'the WBF doping regulations are in conformity with the Olympic Movement Medical Code' and that 'the WBF adheres to the Court of Arbitration for Sports for the resolution of all form of dispute relating to the sport of bridge'."

Mooouuaaah! What kind of drug enhances your performance in bridge? Besides amphetamines to keep you concentration levels up for a longer period of time, I can't think of anything else.

Glad to hear that Bridge is a 'true sport of the mind' though.

[epeemike81]

Originally posted by d8m:
<STRONG>Everyone could be required to wear bright costumes, and develop personalities to act on.</STRONG>

Bright costumes? personalities? Forget the Ultimate Fencing Championship, lets call it the PFL!

-m

[Inquartata]

I have come late to this fray, but allow me to express my...my...ooh, the word hasn't been coined yet that can capture the vehemence of my horror at the idea.

How such a thing could be done to fencing while swimming uses several strokes and multiple distances, while diving does the same, and while we have, simultaneously, karate and tae kwon do ( and I'd be willing to bet wushu as well by the next Summer Games ) strikes me as capricious at best. On the other hand, it IS the IOC we're talking about here...

[Pommel]

I sincerely feel stupider having read this thread. It is truly the singularly most retarded thing ever to be discussed at fencing.net.

[veeco]

Originally posted by Pommel:
<STRONG>I sincerely feel stupider having read this thread. It is truly the singularly most retarded thing ever to be discussed at fencing.net.</STRONG>

That's your opinion. Other people were interested in it. Without discussion, things can't evolve. If you are a partisan of letting things the way they are, I can see your point of view, but fencing has evolved and will evolve. Preventing such crazy things as the one discussed above can only be achieved with discussion, I think.

[d8m]

Originally posted by Pommel:
<STRONG>I sincerely feel stupider having read this thread. It is truly the singularly most retarded thing ever to be discussed at fencing.net.</STRONG>

The idea is so absurd, it's hard to take seriously, and that does make this thread seem rather retarded...

But the most retarded? I think some of the other threads out there far exceed this one...

As veeco said, it's a matter of opinion.

[Event Horizon]

Even if a new "one weapon" Fencing sport is created, I doubt that those of us who are practioners of modern Fencing will give it up. I personally am against this idea of a hybrid one weapon system (can it even be called that at this early stage?) but maybe it does appeal to some. Change is always part of life and won't be to big of a surprise if this change does occur. But I for one am still going to stick to the Fencing I'm learning now. I think many others will do the same.

[DarkTransient]

There is no reason to have a hybrid weapon. All we need is a hybrid game, which allows fencers to use any weapon of his choice.

[epeemike81]

Originally posted by DarkTransient:
<STRONG>There is no reason to have a hybrid weapon. All we need is a hybrid game, which allows fencers to use any weapon of his choice.</STRONG>

would THAT very quickly degenerate into full body sabre???

nah, of course not...(please note sarcasm)

besides, I will restate my previous position: There IS a hybrid system which allows participants to choose ANY weapon. It is called the SCA. If you enjoy simulated dueling, join the SCA (or another "historical" fencing society). If, however, you, like me, enjoy modern fencing, far removed from the concept of duling, then join the USFA.

-m

[ 08-23-2001: Message edited by: epeemike81 ]

[Pommel]

What Dark Transient is advocating is totally ludicrous. Even if we ignore the incompatibility of rules and electrics between the weapons one has to wonder what he hopes to accomplish by this other than the utter destruction of the sport. If he is of the half-baked opinion that this would more closely resemble dueling I'd like to point out that dueling was a highly ritualized rule oriented form of combat that sought to put the combatants on equal footing, not a free for all melee. If thats's what you want join the SCA (which I have nothing against) but leave our sport alone.

By the way, does anybody have any sort of documentation or references for this ugly rumor? I have yet to see any, and frankly question whether it's actually being seriously considered at all. Furthermore, I'd like to point out that the IOC only has jurisdiction over the games, the FIE and USFA don't have to abide by their decison on anything for their own competitions, and I doubt they'd even entertain such a proposal.

[epeemike81]

Originally posted by Pommel:
<STRONG>By the way, does anybody have any sort of documentation or references for this ugly rumor? I have yet to see any, and frankly question whether it's actually being seriously considered at all. Furthermore, I'd like to point out that the IOC only has jurisdiction over the games, the FIE and USFA don't have to abide by their decison on anything for their own competitions, and I doubt they'd even entertain such a proposal.</STRONG>

There is NO plan to merge the sports. There are rumors, however, that the IOC MAY ask the FIE to choose one weapon. CHOOSE ONE????? You can imagine the FIE's response, just as you can imagine the response if the IOC had asked the IGB for Swimming to choose one stroke, or running to choose one distance. This will NEVER happen. The FIE would sooner see fencing removed from the olympics entirely than "choose one". But no, the ludicrous s*** that our friend DT is talking about was NEVER advocated by ANYBODY but him.

-m

[ 08-23-2001: Message edited by: epeemike81 ]

[edew]

Originally posted by epeemike81:
<STRONG>

Bright costumes? personalities? Forget the Ultimate Fencing Championship, lets call it the PFL!

-m</STRONG>

Sorry, it wasn't the PFL with the bright costumes. It was the next-generation WFF (World Fencing Federation), which I believe has died out as well.

[Gav]

Ha Ha Ha I like Captain Insano I might put that on my jacket. But seriously...

The IOC is bunch corrupt idiots. Just look at the recent scandals surrounding their closed sessions. Let's not forget all the bribery allegations and so on. F*** the IOC. Its that simple. Any morons who let beach volleyball in as an official sport must have lost their grip on reality (skimpy bathing suits aside - do you think they have regulations for them?).

I like the association that fencing has with history - while at the same time being quite modern. I like the duelling aspect whilst realising that losing an eye during practice isn't fun, or far that matter getting killed. Leave the sport aone. It will evolve along its own lines and it'll get its day in the sun at some point. Be patient.

Just because the IOC have forgotten what the Olympics was supposed to be about (didn't it used to be for amateurs only?) doesn'tmean we have to.

BTW I have a cousin who plays Bridge I'll have to suggest amphetamines to him and see if it makes him a better Bridge player.

[HilandDoug]

If you want to use a "real" blade, switch to epee. Or should I say Epee? It has the same blade as the smallsword, with out the deadly-sharp point, and there's no ROW (and no blood, sometimes).