does any one heard about parry 9 before???

[vincikai]

because my coach just shown me a strange parry 9 yesterday o_O

and is there any more ways(names) to parry after 1~8? care to share? ._.

[bg0687]

I have used this parry before. My coach showed it to me about 6 months ago. It is very effective. I think some parries are not commonly known, but are from the backgrounds of different coaches. My coach uses a classical fencing style and is from Kazakhstan. Is your coach from the same country or region? It might explain why he uses this parry.

[raffles]

All coaches from the former Soviet Union know parry 9

[Kettu]

I've never heard of this parry. How is it executed?

[Epee_Pox]

Looks like a sabre 5. Hand is prone, bell at about eye level or higher, blade off strongly to the inside.

You use parry 9 to push the opponent's blade up, while keeping your blade near his body. Useful when crouching (quick riposte to the forward knee is bonus), or when opponent is significantly taller. Good defense against high flicks, too.

[MikeHarm]

The lifting parry that moves the blade upwards, done with a duck. Wasn't that an Aldo Nadi favorite?

You know, I've always thought that the inverse of it 10, where it moves the blade downwards with a jump might work for a killer sabre move. The whole no off targets weapon can't go off in the leg zone aspect of todays sabre seems like it would play to that working. At least I think thats a 10 parry.. I don't seem to see it in any of the books I've been reading.

[mrbiggs]

I've always been taught that it is the flick parry.

Although you don't need to disagree with that, there was alrady unanimous disapproval over that name.

Oh, and one time I heard it was just distance. A distance parry-parry 9.

So...different people, different parry 9.

[vincikai]

thanks for the quick replies i am quite keen to lean any other named/ unnamed parrys ;]

[MikeHarm]

For the basic parries you have five types of parries, and eight quadrants for the basic ones, which make fourty parries.

Outside of that you have the hard and soft incarnations, wide verses narrow, yeilding parries, contraction parries, false parries, and the parries can also be differentiated on the basis of what parts of the blades come in contact etc etc etc.

You can actually spend years studying all the different parry incarnations now that I think of it, its making my head dizzy trying to figure out how many different flavors there are.

Anyone ever chart out exactly how many different sorts there were? I can see why they stuck to simple numbers for what zone it was covering.

[elberto]

because my coach just shown me a strange parry 9 yesterday o_O

and is there any more ways(names) to parry after 1~8? care to share? ._.

I seem to remember it being called nuvello or something similar to that ... the russian nuvello parry ... someone quoted as it being invented by the russians.. but yes it is just a sort of high sabre parry...

[MattyCam]

Parry nine is simple. Its executed sort of like a foil 5 though instead of going down you go up. The parry doesn't extend higher than eye level. You parry from under the opponents blade forcing it up. Its most commonly used in combination with a flick, but isn't limited to the flick. Taking parry nine and then reposting in the chest is great becuase most fencers associate this parry with a flick to follow...so if you go to the chest, they're wide open. To parry flick you'd use a parry three or sabre five...it really doesn't matter what parry to take if you parry it. I've never heard of a parry taught to used exclusively with a duck. That sounds like some back woods country BS.

Raffles, you're right. Any coach from Mother Russia knows.

Matt

[Epee_Pox]

Huh, I searched all the previous posts, and can't find any mention of 9 being exclusively used with a duck. From whence did you hear such "back woods country BS"?

[The Armourer]

There are 9 parries - I thought everyone knew that? I am just an armourer so perhaps I misunderstood?
"Neuvième (9). Probably the least used of all the hand positions in fencing it is, however, a nice one to know so that (when you’re good enough) you can show off once in a while… Its position is the same as in prime, but with your hand placed slightly more in front. Make sure that you take the blade early and then, once in neuvième, make a quick and direct hit on your stunned and bewildered opponent."

[Artisan]

There are 9 parries - I thought everyone knew that? I am just an armourer so perhaps I misunderstood?

Parry Ten: Blade pointing backwards over your shoulder, defending against a flick to back arriving as opponent fleches past.

[MattyCam]

[QUOTE=MikeHarm]The lifting parry that moves the blade upwards, done with a duck. Wasn't that an Aldo Nadi favorite?

right there

mc

[esskreemr]

I've always been taught that it is the flick parry.

What the flick can be parried?! I thought that it was an inmutable, beat-all attack! You're trying to tell me that with a little practice it can be parried? The end is coming...


Damn sarcasm tag doesn't work...

[MyraTrue]

Huh, I searched all the previous posts, and can't find any mention of 9 being exclusively used with a duck. From whence did you hear such "back woods country BS"?

My old British coach used to call parry 9 "St. Georges", which was a sabre 5, in all reality. I've seen 9 used in concert with a duck, and my current coach as been promoting 9 to me. He commented that because so many of the Russians were shorter, it was a good parry for me. If you are fencing someone 14 inches taller, a head parry for you is useful!

[jspierre]

You see parry 9 in epee too; a great execution of parry 9-riposte is in the World Championships two years ago, I think, where Kolobkov in the finals waits very patiently, then takes Jeannet's blade up in 9, over the top, then ripostes with a fleche to the chest. Perfectly timed, and a perfect antidote to Jeannet's awesome reach and long-range, direct attacks to the body. Once Jeannet was committed, at that very moment, Kolobkov picks up the blade in 9, then controls it and has to fleche to be certain to reach the target, which was Jeannet's chest.

I think parry 9 creates a very good angle to control your opponents blade, and can be especially effective against a french grip pommeler, who falls off the blade very easily, and is hard to take, pris-de-fer.

[HilandDoug]

I recall reading a book, I believe it was the Mr. Agosti book ("On Fencing"), that described 9 as defense for the back, while mounted. Anyone else see this?

[achilleus]

Every coach has a different definition for a parry 9.

Things to remember are that parries also have different positions. Like parry 5 can be executed as both a high or low parry. Same with 7.

A coach once taught me that lifting the blade up, and hitting the underside of the hand was a beat 9, hit. In reality, I learned it's more apropos to term it a beat seven. That's also what a later, more classically trained coach called it.