10-18-2004, 12:24 PM
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| We have quite a few pentathletes train at our club for the epee and they often practice the technique of 'one hit in one minute' (the way the puole unique is played) in fact its not a bad training game for any fencer - imagine that its the last period and you need to get one hit to level the score! | 
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10-18-2004, 11:08 PM
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| What happens if they keep scoring double hits?Do they have a fixed time per bout too? | |
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10-18-2004, 11:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Unmarked What happens if they keep scoring double hits?Do they have a fixed time per bout too? | IIRC, double = both lose. | |
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10-18-2004, 11:38 PM
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| Hmm..Never heard of two losers in a bout before... | |
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10-18-2004, 11:54 PM
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#25 | | Armorer
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| What happens if during a pool competition and the score is 5-5 and time runs out? Both get a defeat.
This is the same for Pentathlon, but their bouts are 1 minute. If no one has got a decisive bout during that minute they both loose. Double hits are ignored.
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10-19-2004, 01:35 AM
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| I see.Thanks very much for clearing that up. | |
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10-19-2004, 12:28 PM
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Originally Posted by DHCJr What happens if during a pool competition and the score is 5-5 and time runs out? Both get a defeat.
This is the same for Pentathlon, but their bouts are 1 minute. If no one has got a decisive bout during that minute they both loose. Double hits are ignored. | Uhm....? Not in fencing. I'll leave aside what happens in MP for now as I don't know (I have an MPer on my team, I'll ask her this afternoon). In fencing a) the score can't get to 5-5 in a pool bout (doubles at 4-4 are disregarded), and b) if time expires we do that whole overtime minute with random priority thing. We haven't had double defeats for quite a while.
-B :)
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10-19-2004, 12:52 PM
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Originally Posted by oiuyt We haven't had double defeats for quite a while.
-B  | Ah, but once upon a time.....
It was interesting to watch. It could get ..........amusing, very amusing 
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10-19-2004, 03:03 PM
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| This is why I am not a fencing expert, but an Armorer, I know the M rules, but items like O.17, I am not an expert in. As has been noted, in fencing there is no longer double defeat. In Petathlon, they only count wins. So the rules were how it used to be in fencing.
Thank you for correcting my missinformation.
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10-19-2004, 06:00 PM
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Originally Posted by DHCJr Yes, it is one VERY VERY Long Day. It started off as a 5 day event. I am not sure when it changed. But by '84 it was 4 days with shooting and running on the last day. The first 3 days were Riding, Fencing and Swimming.
Now it is one day, because of the Gods of the Olympics, they wanted it to take less time. | O believe it was compressed partly to save time but also partly to foil the drug cheats. People used to take beta blockers to improve their shooting, but now if you do that you won't be able to get your heart rate up for the swimming and running. Similarly, stimulants would hurt your shooting.
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10-19-2004, 07:37 PM
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| I remember reading an article or interview or something similar with one of the US modern pentathletes where he was talking about this. Shooting came first, and then he immediately pounded whatever high caffeine soda was readily available to act as a stimulant before the fencing (IIRC). Perhaps in American Fencing 2-3 years ago?
-B :)
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10-19-2004, 09:05 PM
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| We've used double = both lose in 1-touch tournaments before. Whether or not it is the rules they use in Pentathlon is another story, but it sure is fun. Doesn't make you want to just go for doubles hoping the other person misses before you do =P Gets some really interesting and good fencing out of people. | |
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10-20-2004, 11:57 AM
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| The shooting is 10 meter slow fire .177 caliber air pistol. Twenty shots are taken in five minutes. Does anybody know if Modern Penthalon will continue as an Olympic sport? There was a movement a few years back to have it dropped. Seems a shame because it is sport of such diverse talents. | |
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10-20-2004, 01:42 PM
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| It got a repreive for 2008. It is interesting to note, that the one who started the Modern Olympics wanted the Pentathlon to be the Premier event of the Olympics. It took him to the 5th Olympics to get it in and now some of the sports that are trying to get in to replace it are dancing and bowling.
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10-20-2004, 03:00 PM
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Originally Posted by DHCJr It got a repreive for 2008. It is interesting to note, that the one who started the Modern Olympics wanted the Pentathlon to be the Premier event of the Olympics. It took him to the 5th Olympics to get it in and now some of the sports that are trying to get in to replace it are dancing and bowling. | Well, a LOT of sports are trying to replace it. Few of the sports and "sports" lobbying to get in have any chance at all.
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10-20-2004, 03:45 PM
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| The reason I mentioned those is because of the 'God of Television'. Both have been pushing their television presence to the IOC. Both get more television then most of the minor sports.
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10-20-2004, 04:10 PM
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| The IOC probably just wants to reduce the olympics to swimming, gymnastics, and beach volleyball. Pentathalon would be a lot of fun to watch IRL, but probably is too boring. Seriously though - We have gone overboard. PING PONG is an olympic sport now? Whats next, counter-strike or unreal tournament?
We need to bring back singlestick. That will get people to watch. :-D
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10-25-2004, 01:50 PM
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Originally Posted by S. Hunter The IOC probably just wants to reduce the olympics to swimming, gymnastics, and beach volleyball. | Huh? That makes no sense. They want to keep it from getting any bigger because it's unwieldly right now, but reducing it to that size makes sense to no one. You really think they want to dump sports like track, rowing, and cycling? Quote: |
Originally Posted by S. Hunter Pentathalon would be a lot of fun to watch IRL, but probably is too boring. Seriously though - We have gone overboard. PING PONG is an olympic sport now? Whats next, counter-strike or unreal tournament? | Table tennis has been in the Olympics since 1988. Have you ever watched it? It's not really my thing, but those players are amazingly talented and, yes, athletic.
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10-25-2004, 02:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Unmarked Hmm..Never heard of two losers in a bout before... | Actually, one sees that quite often. Of course, I'm not referring to the score.
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