10-10-2004, 01:14 AM
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#1 | | Senior Member
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| Can you parry with the sword arm? Can you parry with the sword arm? |
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10-10-2004, 01:22 AM
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#2 | | Curmudgeon-in-Chief
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| In sabre it's called "attack arrives".  |
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10-10-2004, 01:35 AM
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| I mean foil/epee. |
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10-10-2004, 01:44 AM
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| Yes you can and you should when you can. You can also cover with the sword arm. A nice move is let your opponents blade glide out of line on your sword arm or hand as you counter attack. |
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10-10-2004, 01:49 AM
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| How easy would that be... leaning forward while bunching up your sword arm over your chest, making multiple parries while advancing and waiting for a surprise distance opportunity.
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10-10-2004, 01:53 AM
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Originally Posted by drippingwet How easy would that be... leaning forward while bunching up your arm over your chest, making multiple parries while advancing and waiting for a surprise distance oppertunity. | Perhaps taking that foil around and shoving it up your arse would be easier. Why don't you stop asking the question that you already know the answer to? |
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10-10-2004, 01:56 AM
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#7 | | The Judge
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Originally Posted by ReverseLunge Perhaps taking that foil around and shoving it up your arse would be easier. Why don't you stop asking the question that you already know the answer to? | what he's saying is that he was trying to be sarcastic but it didn't flow well through the internets. (  )
you can't parry with your back arm. you can't cover target area with your back arm.
your front arm can't help but be in the way. parries are defined by blade contact, so you're not going to get a P/R called for an arm parry. you're also very likely to get hit on the arm if you attempt one of these, which will either end the action or score a touch (in foil or epee, respectively).
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10-10-2004, 02:00 AM
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| I meant the front arm. |
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10-10-2004, 02:05 AM
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| Sorry to butt in, but I laughed at the Internets. |
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10-10-2004, 02:20 AM
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#10 | | The Judge
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| i think half of america did too 
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10-10-2004, 02:24 AM
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| Internets? |
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10-10-2004, 08:26 AM
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Originally Posted by drippingwet Internets? | Our president...he made a "goof" |
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10-10-2004, 11:35 AM
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#13 | | Curmudgeon-in-Chief
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| Or perhaps there's a separate government or military or intelligence internet
( or all of the above )? |
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10-10-2004, 12:04 PM
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| Hijack: The military and others are on the same Internet; they have domains ending in .mil or .gov instead of the more commonly seen .com, .edu, .org, and .net (and country codes like .uk, .fr, .de, and so on). Remember, the Internet grew from research done at DARPA. Oh, there is an "Internet2", but so far it's a consortium of education and government working towards what eventually might be the next internet.
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10-10-2004, 12:44 PM
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| I've seen it before. My nickname for those sorts of opponents is contortionists. Usually when I see them its someone who is really thin with long arms, they'll try to make it so that they're sorta hunched down with their mask and front arm covering the target as much as possible. Its funny watching them bouncing around on the strip like that, its freaky to watch.
It works good against classical fencers who restrict themselves to visual target and don't know how to launch angulated shots, or refuse to because of it interfering with their artistic vision of how to hold the weapon. If you're using that style against anyone who can launch angulated or flick shots decent you're probably going to lose by a wide margin. Quote: |
Originally Posted by drippingwet How easy would that be... leaning forward while bunching up your sword arm over your chest, making multiple parries while advancing and waiting for a surprise distance opportunity. | |
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10-10-2004, 12:59 PM
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#16 | | The Judge
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| rehijack for a sec:
there "are" more than one forms of the internet, but the reference made was to rumors spreading on the standard world wide web. i highly doubt the experimental or governmental/military infrastructures will be spending time spreading rumors about a draft.
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10-10-2004, 04:23 PM
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| When I was growing up in Arizona, we had a local coach named Ion Drimba (Gold Medal, men's foild 1968(?)). He reportedly had a "special move," where he'd show a lot of flank, and when his opponent attacked it, he would drop his sword arm to close the flank target, step in and hit. |
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10-10-2004, 08:32 PM
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| Hijack on/ There are a couple of different "Internets" of which the largest I know of is a specialized one used by the US DoD and associated agencies, as well as access by agencies in several other closely allied countries. It's used to send and share intelligence and other classified information. I've heard this referred to as "Mil-net" or "Intel-net". For security purposes, there is supposed to be no cross-connection with the regular internet, so don't expect to be able to find something on it on Google  . There are a couple of other, smaller internets including some speciality industry internets with hundreds to tens of thousands of sites, which usually do have a hefty firewall with the regular internet, but are basically seperate networks.
Hijack off/ I think if someone attacks you and drives the blade into your bicep, that's not a parry with your weapon arm. If you move your arm in front of a point, that's replacement of target and you will get carded and have a point scored on you.
The one I was fuzzy on was if you were extended, and someone did a parry riposte back at you, but as you parried the riposte, you pushed the blade aside with (say) the back of your hand, or forearm. You'd have to be really pronated with your wrist to do this, though. You sort of parried with your weapon arm. I *believe* that might be a legitimate parry, but rather unlikely. I'd sure like someone to give me an opinion on how that should be judged. |
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10-10-2004, 08:37 PM
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#19 | | The Judge
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Originally Posted by Larrison Hijack on/ There are a couple of different "Internets" of which the largest I know of is a specialized one used by the US DoD and associated agencies, as well as access by agencies in several other closely allied countries. It's used to send and share intelligence and other classified information. I've heard this referred to as "Mil-net" or "Intel-net". For security purposes, there is supposed to be no cross-connection with the regular internet, so don't expect to be able to find something on it on Google  . There are a couple of other, smaller internets including some speciality industry internets with hundreds to tens of thousands of sites, which usually do have a hefty firewall with the regular internet, but are basically seperate networks.
Hijack off/ I think if someone attacks you and drives the blade into your bicep, that's not a parry with your weapon arm. If you move your arm in front of a point, that's replacement of target and you will get carded and have a point scored on you.
The one I was fuzzy on was if you were extended, and someone did a parry riposte back at you, but as you parried the riposte, you pushed the blade aside with (say) the back of your hand, or forearm. You'd have to be really pronated with your wrist to do this, though. You sort of parried with your weapon arm. I *believe* that might be a legitimate parry, but rather unlikely. I'd sure like someone to give me an opinion on how that should be judged. | hijack on again
i work for the dod and i can confirm this along with the fact that there are several different types/levels. didn't want to touch on that until someone brought it up.
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you don't get carded for doing that, its kind of like jumping. your sword arm will always be in the way no matter what, you can't card for being hit off target on it. there is no legitimate sword-arm parry. parries are blade only. |
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10-10-2004, 09:08 PM
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Originally Posted by noodle you don't get carded for doing that, its kind of like jumping. your sword arm will always be in the way no matter what, you can't card for being hit off target on it. | The ref who red carded Wu for covering target with his weapon arm against Vanni in the Olympic men's team foil final might disagree with you  . If you deliberately cover your target area with your weapon arm, and it's obvious to the referee, you will get carded. |
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