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SupportCrew · 10-11-2004, 08:51 PM

Yes, Please! I'm dying to find out Women's Sabre results, since my sabreist is currently in a cast and had to withdraw.

TooLoftheDeviL · 10-11-2004, 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by SupportCrew

Yes, Please! I'm dying to find out Women's Sabre results, since my sabreist is currently in a cast and had to withdraw.

One of our sabre guys broke his finger fencing at the NAC. He even won that bout, and his first DE bout later on that day.

In conclusion, you sabre kids are nuts.

DJ Apostrophe · 10-12-2004, 11:54 AM

They are up now: http://www.usfencing.org/Results/Tou...?Code=2005NACA

oiuyt · 10-12-2004, 12:29 PM

And I can't BELIEVE that it took them until the day after the event to get them posted!!!! I demand real-time updates from now on! No, I want the results at least 3 days BEFORE any event I fence in so I know whether or not it's worth going!

While one event a history does not make, how many people expect to see many kudos to the USFA from the people who generally bash tardy postings? Or will there be claims that these results were only posted quickly due to the "elite" cadet results? :)

-B :)

Capt. Slo-mo · 10-12-2004, 12:40 PM

Well, I, for one, am shocked (and applauding) at the same time! This is the kind of service we would like to expect from our $50.

Now: (rubs hands eagerly) what's the story with the black carded bronze medalist in WS?

esskreemr · 10-12-2004, 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by oiuyt

And I can't BELIEVE that it took them until the day after the event to get them posted!!!! I demand real-time updates from now on! No, I want the results at least 3 days BEFORE any event I fence in so I know whether or not it's worth going!

-B

Careful, wouldn't want another 2 week outage of the website. Anyone got a mirror going yet? I would, but I don't work for an ISP anymore...

SJCFU#2 · 10-12-2004, 12:43 PM

Posting results the day after the event is certainly a good start. Hopefully this will become standard practice over time.

oiuyt · 10-12-2004, 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Capt. Slo-mo

Well, I, for one, am shocked (and applauding) at the same time! This is the kind of service we would like to expect from our $50.

Now: (rubs hands eagerly) what's the story with the black carded bronze medalist in WS?

Lost the bout, spiked the mask, spiked the weapon (breaking it incidently).

I was standing and chatting with a few of my students at the end of the next strip over. We weren't watching the bout but happened to be faced in that direction. The immediate response from one of them was something like "omigod, is she going to get blackcarded?" My reply was "Yup. See, and here comes the ref. There's the card." First time my students had seen a black card awarded, which surprised me a bit as they've all been fencing for quite a while (5-8 years or so each). Not much question about it, as soon as it happened it was clear that a black card was about to follow.

Oops, there went a whole bunch of points and a nice shiny medal.

-B :)

dekko · 10-12-2004, 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by oiuyt

Lost the bout, spiked the mask, spiked the weapon (breaking it incidently).

I was standing and chatting with a few of my students at the end of the next strip over. We weren't watching the bout but happened to be faced in that direction. The immediate response from one of them was something like "omigod, is she going to get blackcarded?" My reply was "Yup. See, and here comes the ref. There's the card." First time my students had seen a black card awarded, which surprised me a bit as they've all been fencing for quite a while (5-8 years or so each). Not much question about it, as soon as it happened it was clear that a black card was about to follow.

Oops, there went a whole bunch of points and a nice shiny medal.

-B

I am not sure whether to feel inferior or cheated. When I threw my sabre in New Orleans my blade didn't break. Funny, same ref. Wonder if he attracts that kind of thing.

I also had a student sitting near me and he asked what had happened and what was about to happen, we happened to be having a conversation about the different cards, what they mean, and why someone might get one of a certain color. BTW, the blade not only broke it flew about 30 feet to the other side of the strip. Good job to the ref for not being talked out of the card. Also, the only 3rd place girl actually stood on both 3's on the medal stand since she was the only one.

ViewtifulMisho · 10-12-2004, 05:59 PM

Who is this Stetsiv guy that won the cadet men's sabre? Is he some Russian?

whtouche · 10-12-2004, 06:21 PM

Kindof?
His father is Oleg Stetsiv who is a former ukrainian national champion, etc etc? I think.
But I dont think andrew stetsiv is actually from the ukraine. He trains at the AC in new york. Check the points list, he's been around for a while.

Saber-Psycho · 10-12-2004, 07:04 PM

In Atlanta, there were 15 blackcards given. 15!
ME. None.
MF: 2 in Div2, 1 in Cadet and 2 in Y-14.
MS: 4 in Div2, 2 in Cadet and 1 in Y-14.
WE: 1 in Div2, 1 in Cadet and 0 in Y-14.
WF: None.
WS: 0 in Div2, 0 in Cadet and 1 in Y-14.

My, my, what have we come to?

oiuyt · 10-12-2004, 08:55 PM

How many of those were due to people not making it to strips before their three calls were up? I know of at least a couple that missed their first DE's not realizing that the tableau had been posted, much less that they were supposed to be somewhere specific and that a referee was busy calling their names and running a clock. Having the calls at the strip rather than via PA system will save a good amount of time (for one thing due to fewer bouts after a couple of fencers get black-carded, but more due to lack of trekking back and forth across a venue for each call) but, until fencers get used to it and start actually paying attention to what's going on, will result in early departures for a few more fencers in each competition.

And of course there will still be occasional fencer who ARE paying attention and STILL manage, somehow, to miss to information and the fact that the other 100 fencers in their weapon have congregated around the posting locations and then dispursed to strips where they started clustering around referees.

-B :)

nahouw · 10-12-2004, 10:54 PM

Like ouiyt said, probably most of those black cards are for failure to show up to the strip when called. Some fencers are apparently unaware of this rule and the penalty chart.

Last year we had a a very large competition in which we were short staffed (both bout committee and referees). Fortunately, we had a wireless mike. We posted pool assignments, called all the fencers and told them to listen carefully for their strip assignments because we would be sending pools out on a rolling basis as soon as we had an open strip and a referee. Even with calling out each pool twice by each fencer's name, we still had to make multiple calls for fencers to report to their strip. Because we had the wireless mike, we were able to stand on the referee's strip and make the announcements as he had the clock running. We called their name 5 times -- they finally got there and we avoided giving out a handful of black cards.

glowstix · 10-12-2004, 11:01 PM

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Originally Posted by oiuyt

How many of those were due to people not making it to strips before their three calls were up? I know of at least a couple that missed their first DE's not realizing that the tableau had been posted, much less that they were supposed to be somewhere specific and that a referee was busy calling their names and running a clock. Having the calls at the strip rather than via PA system will save a good amount of time (for one thing due to fewer bouts after a couple of fencers get black-carded, but more due to lack of trekking back and forth across a venue for each call) but, until fencers get used to it and start actually paying attention to what's going on, will result in early departures for a few more fencers in each competition.

And of course there will still be occasional fencer who ARE paying attention and STILL manage, somehow, to miss to information and the fact that the other 100 fencers in their weapon have congregated around the posting locations and then dispursed to strips where they started clustering around referees.

-B

this happened to me in the divII men's epee. my case was just a misunderstanding rather than not being observent. i was really lucky though. i was waiting at the wrong strip (there was a number next to my name so i went to that strip number...and it wasn't my seeding number, another one).

when i realized something was wrong i went to the bout committee and explained my situation. luckily (i explained this earlier...anyway), i was reinstated, fenced the bout and won.

the problem i have is that the venue was soooo huge, there has to be a better way to do this.

IanSerotkin · 10-13-2004, 12:58 AM

On guard. Ready? Fence. Halt. Yellow card for turning the back after you thought you hit (but didn't, because of the debounce time) and started walking back to your on guard line.

On guard. Ready? Fence. Halt. Red card for corps-a-corps after you and your opponent started remising at each other after your first three remises failed because of the debounce time and you panicked.

On guard. Ready? Fence. Halt. I lost the action after the TWELFTH REMISE that failed because the debounce time makes it a crapshoot trying to land touches while infighting.

On guard. Ready? Fence. Halt. Attack fails. Counterattack lands while you're caught flatfooted saying "Whoops" after your attack failed because of the debounce time. Touch right.

After a while, I completely lost track of how many yellow/red cards I had to give out for turning the back. At least 20.

R. Exnicios · 10-13-2004, 01:14 AM

There were several "black cards" given by request of the fencers. I know in the Y14 event, which was running very late, a fencer had to leave so they asked for the black card. (left before their next DE)

i think most of the black cards were for the same reason.

R

TooLoftheDeviL · 10-13-2004, 01:20 AM

Thankfully, I didn't get carded for turning around and looking like an idiot. I was on instant remise mode, hardcore.

glowstix · 10-13-2004, 01:35 AM

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Originally Posted by R. Exnicios

There were several "black cards" given by request of the fencers. I know in the Y14 event, which was running very late, a fencer had to leave so they asked for the black card. (left before their next DE)

i think most of the black cards were for the same reason.

R

hey..i saw you there...

D+F+P=Hadouken! · 10-13-2004, 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by glowstix

the problem i have is that the venue was soooo huge, there has to be a better way to do this.

But it was posh compared to the one in charlotte.