List of Competitors at the 2001 Summer Nat's

[edew]

Anyone checked it out? Anyone bothered to put it on some spread sheet and do some numbers count? Just want to know how many competitors? I'm guessing more than 2500 individual competitors, providing with a total of more than 4000 entries.

I hinted at that last summer at Austin.

[Purple Fencer]

Well, I only checked the events I'm in...but thereare just over 100 in Div III men's sabre, and about 200 in Div III men's foil.

Eric, if I remember right, it's 100% up in Div III. Welcome to the DE tree from Hell If you're directing, you'll certainly earn your $40!

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Sam Signorelli -- Boldly going forward...'cause I can't find reverse!

[Stryder]

OK we already know I have a lot of time on my hands in the morning so no wise cracks!

Not too far off E.Dew!
2247 people and teams entered.
4838 events entered

I couldn't help myself, so I had to do the math:
4834 x $30 = $145,140.00 in per weapon fees received
2247 x $40 = $89,880.00 in registration fees received

$235,020.00

This is a rough estimation since the morning is over and there are people in my office forcing me to act busy. The inclusion of teams as entrants and the difference in cost per entry for those teams may have messed up these numbers a bit, but who cares.


PS: the winner is Golden Gate Fencing Center with 11 teams entered.
Individual Ironperson's are:
1860 Smith, Natalie C
822 John Harkey
1580 Joseph Pipken
1780 Seiders, Phoebe A

Each entered 7 events! What's the matter Natalie? Had to take a day off?
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Edited, I removed all the teams from the list, but left the fencers fencing in the teams and the new total of entries is....
4632

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[This message has been edited by Stryder (edited 06-12-2001).]

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[Craig]

I'll be in the 1A Men's Foil. Looks like 75 entered for it.

Now the big question is - how frazzled will the refs be by then since it's the next to last day...

Craig

[edew]

Lessee...D1 Men's Epee team, D1A Men's Epee
Team, D1 Women's Epee, D1A Women's Epee Team,
D1 Men's Foil Team? D1A Men's Foil Team, D1A Women's Foil Team?
U19 Men's Foil Team, U19 Men's Epee Team, U19 Women's Foil Team, U19 Women's Epee Team?

Good job GGFC!

I wonder if it's possible for a club to supply a full suite of team events, both Div I and Open and U19 in all three weapons and two sexes. Tough...

Only 2247, eh? I'm surprised it wasn't more. Maybe because it's a post-Olympic year.

And Sam, it's 100% up in almost all events except for the U19 and Div I events. DE from hell nothin' I'll ref quickly.

[Purple Fencer]

Originally posted by edew:

And Sam, it's 100% up in almost all events except for the U19 and Div I events. DE from hell nothin' I'll ref quickly.

And if it happens to be a sabre bout, we'll see what's faster...your directing or my losing!



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Sam Signorelli -- Boldly going forward...'cause I can't find reverse!

[Stryder]

E dew-
The majority of fencers (and Americans) live east of the Mississippi. Exclude TX since they had Nat's last year and will likely have it next year, and West coast tournaments are always going to be smaller. (in my opinion) At least until we get the west in gear!

I wonder how much effect the post-Olympic depression is having on fencers below Div1 level? I see Div 1 entries are as thin as always. Call me weird, but I think it would mean more if all Div 1 fencers were entered in Div1a. Theoretically you would still have the same finallists, but in a field of 200+ qualifyers instead of 50-75.

The Div 1a champ gets to say he won National Championships by beating out over 200 fencers who were the top of their divisions.
The Div 1 National Champ gets to say he was first of 50.
Now that's funny!

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[d8m2k]

Originally posted by Stryder:
The Div 1a champ gets to say he won National Championships by beating out over 200 fencers who were the top of their divisions.
The Div 1 National Champ gets to say he was first of 50.
Now that's funny!

Stryder,

It's not the size, it's the quality.
The Olympic tournament was quite small, under 50 entries in each weapon, I believe.
Does that mean that the Div 1a tournament with 75 fencers is more impressive? Even if it had 200 fencers, would it be more impressive? Of course not.

[edew]

It's not only the size, but how much of the size. The winner of a tournament of 50 fencers will probably face as many fencers as the winner of a tournament of 75 fencers. (Supposing the winner was seeded 1 going into the DEs, he'd fence his 5 or 6 opponents in the pools and then will be automatically in the table of 64 in the case of 75 fencers and table of 32 in the case of 50 fencers. So he may fence one fewer 15-touch bout, but might meet the same number of opponents.)

Certainly quality makes for better bragging rights, but Stryder was suggesting that *IF* the Div I fencers were required to fence in the Div IA as well, then the Div IA would have the quality as well as the quantity, thus making it a more valued event.

And Sam, I talk very fast when refereeing.

[Purple Fencer]

Originally posted by edew:

And Sam, I talk very fast when refereeing.

Granted...but I'd guess you speak much more clearly than I do. My mouth moves so fast I garble a lot...sometimes I don't know what I say myself!

Good thing my wife's had 12 years to get used to me!

C ya in Sac

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Sam Signorelli -- Boldly going forward...'cause I can't find reverse!

[d8m2k]

Originally posted by edew:

Certainly quality makes for better bragging rights, but Stryder was suggesting that *IF* the Div I fencers were required to fence in the Div IA as well, then the Div IA would have the quality as well as the quantity, thus making it a more valued event.

True, however, Div. 1a wasn't created to to be an event for the elite fencers. And second, qualifying for Div 1 is not easy. If it were, more people would be entering national championship. That alone validates the bragging rights.

[Bugaboo]

I'm already looking to 2002: Where do you think the finals will be held?

[edew]

There are 76 men's foilists on the senior national points list. Obviously, given that only 50 or so are attending, not all of them are going.

There should be 100 competitors to the Div IA Men's Foil (ten from each section, ten sections), although it's possible that from a small section, fewer than 10 fencers attended the sectional championships.

So, about 25 aren't going to the Div IA. Looking at the competitors for both, neither is particularly easy, for those who are competing in both. The Div I is a bit more forgiving in that at the round of 32, you do have repechage. Which means you have another chance to get back up there, or you can see your name wiped in mud TWICE before going home to shower.

[Peach]

Okay, after some laborious counting of WS entries, I confirmed what Eric said: A lot of the people on the points list don't do the IA. Also, it looks like a number of people on the points list skip the Division I as well, probably because they aren't going to do well enough to make it worth their while.

There are 63 names on the women's sabre points list. In the IA, only 14 of the women on the points list are among the 55 fencing, with number *22* the highest-ranked in the IA. That's a lot of missing people, and ALL of the top people.

In the Division I, with 45 fencers, out of the top 20 only one is missing, then a few in the 20s, then the rest of the people who aren't fencing are toward the bottom.

In other words, if I do my damnedest in the Division I, I'll probably maintain my standing as usual <sigh>. Thank heavens for repechage. I never skip the Div. I because the only reason I stay on the point standings is being compulsive and going to everything.

But oh, dear, I don't want to get my hopes up, but I have a chance to do well for once in the IA. AAAAAgh. All I ask is for ONCE not to meet up with somebody who screwed up her pool.

Why do I make myself crazy with this stuff? I must find it entertaining.

[d8m2k]

Originally posted by edew:
Looking at the competitors for both, neither is particularly easy, for those who are competing in both.

EDEW,

I'm not quite sure what you meant by this. No tournament is easy. You have to show up and fence. But if you look at comparative strength, the Div 1 tournament is much more difficult than the 1A. The format makes little difference.

This is not to say that the 1A is easy, or full of bad fencers. Everybody qualified to get there, so they obviously belong there.

[Cutter]

Peach, who is the real you? I am also fencing the Div1a for WS - it would be fun if we match up in pools or DE.

Belinda McCoy



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Cutter
"It's just a flesh wound."

[Peach]

Cutter - I wouldn't be surprised if we landed in the same pool or DE. A couple of times I've traveled all the way to Summer Nationals just to fence a teammate. One time I was in one second-day pool in an NAC that had four fencers in it from the same club (they didn't like that) (neither did I because most of them beat me). I'll look forward to seeing you there.
--Delia Turner

[edew]

I also looked at the Div I Men's Epee. Fully a third+ of them are from the Pacific Coast Section. That's a pretty amazing number. There are 65 entries to the Div I Men's Epee, and 23 or so (just a quick glance) are from the PCS. That's almost
a third of all the points holders as well.

So who sez that epee in the West Coast is weak? That we give out easy A's?

[Cutter]

Peach, aka Delia - I didn't know that was you. We do know each other. I fence with Sacramento Fencing Club and am the very tall slender brunette. We talked a lot at Palm Springs a couple years ago and we sat in your room till all hours at Colorado Springs trashing the young ones. We old folks need to stick together .

Looking forward to seeing you again in July.

Belinda aka

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Cutter
"It's just a flesh wound."

[edew]

Stryder, what makes you think we're going back to Texas next year? I would like to see the East Coast (mid-Atlantic or north of that) run it one of these days. You know, the first one, in 1997, was originally slated to be held in Philadelphia (King of Prussia, I believe). There was a conflict and they moved it onto Santa Clara mid-stream.

Questions: where would (besides Hawaii) people like to see Summer Nationals? Maybe Southern California? Sam?