09-27-2004, 05:52 PM
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| I cannot in conscience betray her.
And yes, she does know him. I am currently trying to obtain (subtley) a last name on him. | 
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09-27-2004, 05:52 PM
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Originally Posted by D+F+P=Hadouken! Soldier, your an honorable man. I respect your integrity. |
you place a higher value on keeping a secret than on stopping a course of violent rape?
unbelievable. and most certainly not honorable.
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09-27-2004, 05:53 PM
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Originally Posted by cornflower Oh man, that's really terrible. If it were me, I'd do EVERYTHING in my power to help her. If she keeps refusing, I'd talk to an authourity myself and ask for advice, and perhaps they can bring a psychologist or something to come to her place and talk her into pressing charges. | It's admirable that you would get so involved, the only problem is with people that are habitually abused it's almost like a drug addict. Until they have truely hit bottom you can't force help upon them. Problem is much like drugs for abuse victims death often comes before the bottom.
Soldier I understand the need to protect. I urge you to be careful. I know you are smart, but tread lightly and be very sure of your actions. Someone in your possition involved in any type of scandal could do irreperable damage to their career. I am by no means saying to do nothing, just play chess and think several moves ahead of whatever you do. One other thing you mentioned that the abuse may be ongoing. The husband knows but is aggrevated by the situation and does nothing. It just doesn't make a ton of sense are there any other details to clear up the story of what's going on?
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| your silence would be a greater betrayal. i can't believe the academy has produced someone who would even think that. times have changed...
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09-27-2004, 05:55 PM
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| Thank you for the insight, Damion. I will do what I can to protect myself, and keep a distance. | |
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09-27-2004, 05:57 PM
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Originally Posted by scrapinpeg your silence would be a greater betrayal. i can't believe the academy has produced someone who would even think that. times have changed... | Scrapinpeg, you misunderstand me.
I wish more than anything to have this man killed - I would love to see a report on the news that his throat has been cut out. Failing that, I would love to see him brought to trial.
But these are still her wishes that I am respecting. She is the one making this decision. I disagree with her as well, but it is not my place to decide for her. | |
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09-27-2004, 05:59 PM
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Originally Posted by scrapinpeg your silence would be a greater betrayal. i can't believe the academy has produced someone who would even think that. times have changed... | AGREE with scrapinpeg completely.
You are not betraying her, you would be saving her life, and quite possibly the life of anyone else this perpetrator may also be attacking. | |
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| And you honestly believe she would rather have this continue?
You and she fail to understand that this CAN be done anonymously, and it IS done anonymously on a routine basis every day.
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| Oh dear...
That really is a complicated situation you have gotten involved in, given that she doesn't want to make it "public".
I'm afraid I don't really know how to go about it (also have very little clue to how things work in the US), but I just wanted to say that you've proven yourself as a man with a great, just and compassionate heart.
I hope things will turn out to the best. You've surely earned my respect and appreciation. GMY!
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09-27-2004, 06:00 PM
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| And I am working toward getting this done anonymously. If you have any details about how to accomplish that, please share them. | |
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09-27-2004, 06:03 PM
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| Like I said, contact the authorities and tell them everything. They will handle it. Delicately.
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09-27-2004, 06:05 PM
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| Maeve's right, your not just protecting this young lady. Look at the bigger picture.
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09-27-2004, 06:08 PM
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| For all those that want to brow beat Soldier and pontificate about what he should do. So what if he can find out all the necessary info to report this to the authorities(which at present time he does not have). Then what, he makes an annoimous tip. The authorities approach this woman and she denies it. Then what? Nothing that's what. Without a complaining party or a substanciation of the claim nothing would happen. Then what? This woman maybe gets into it with a husband who apparently doesn't care about her. Think ahead.
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09-27-2004, 06:10 PM
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Originally Posted by scrapinpeg Like I said, contact the authorities and tell them everything. They will handle it. Delicately. | I will work toward that.
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09-27-2004, 06:10 PM
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| As an Air Force Academy cadet you have an honor code obligation. Consider the situation as you would if the woman in trouble was a fellow cadet. You are required - for very good reason - to report the situation to Academy authorities. You are not permitted, by honor code instructions, to act on the situation yourself or try to solve it for her.
Same thing for real life too. We all don't sign honor codes, but we are all obligated to help when we can in the manner best fitting the situation.
Call the local authorities, tell them that the situation is sensitve and that she is fearful of the publicity, and make sure she is safe. | |
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09-27-2004, 06:12 PM
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| damion, that's a lot of "what ifs" to justify a course of inaction, rather than doing all one can to stop a course of violence.
just think of the suffering that goes on every day because of attitudes like that.
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09-27-2004, 06:14 PM
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| Yes, I am required to report it. But as you said, I have an honor code to abide. And I have sworn not to tell. I am doing what I can, as fast as I can. | |
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09-27-2004, 06:14 PM
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Originally Posted by scrapinpeg damion, that's a lot of "what ifs" to justify a course of inaction, rather than doing all one can to stop a course of violence.
just think of the suffering that goes on every day because of attitudes like that. | Don't you dare talk to Damion about justification of letting violence go by. | |
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09-27-2004, 06:16 PM
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| The basis of your obligation is not with this woman, but with the institution and the authorities. Don't let this situation drag you down. You don't know this woman, you aren't involved beyond a civil duty to report a possible violent crime. | |
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09-27-2004, 06:17 PM
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| "We must always fear the wicked. But there is another kind of evil that we must fear the most, and that is the indifference of good men."
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