Cash Winnings - rules against earning competition money?

[MikeHarm]

Since the rule hasn't been repealed, now that edew has admitted taking money for competing, if he wins an event that professionals are supposed to be excluded from, would the 2nd runner up be able to lodge an official complaint and have him bumped out of the results and take the win?

Mike

[Bugaboo]

re lodge a complaint:
(shrug) That's what rules are for. Follow the rules or suffer the consequences.

And just because a police officer lets a guy get away with sliding through a stop sign twice a week is no excuse for the offender to complain when he gets ticketed on the third time.

[edew]

Regardless of whether a NAC (or any tournament) is a championships tournament or not, I have won tournaments, and championships (the Pacific Coast Championships) since having "won" cash-prizes. No one has spoke up about that fact, and no one has excluded me from competing in any event, including the past two national championships.

Don't expect me at the gold-medal bout in the Olympics any time soon, though. So if one wants to know what happens at the highest bastion of amateur sports, I won't (ever be) in the position to tell you.

[veeco]

Originally posted by edew:
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At the moment, only the winners of various events (DITD, Hawaii Open, etc) have received monetary prizes. In the case of epee at the DITD, Ingo Grausam has been the only winner, and he's a German fencer (i.e., not under the auspices of the USFA).
</STRONG>
Actually it was once Petar Toshkov, and once Ingo if I remember correctly.


<STRONG>
At the Hawaii Open, Petar Toshkov won the open epee, I won the open foil, and some Japanese woman won the women's foil. Petar is a Bulgarian fencer,</STRONG>

Petar is a Bulgarian fencer, but he was affiliated to the USFA, had been fencing in the US for more than 10 years, and he competed in the Nationals the same year he won the Duel in the Desert. Noone complained though.

I think this rule is ridiculous anyway. It doesn't even make sense since World Cup winners make money. For instance, Cliff Bayer won 2 world cups and still competed in the olympics. The rule should be altogether removed.

[Bugaboo]

So does anyone know whether Edew has won money at a major competition or not? He hasn't been really clear about that yet ...

[Cutter]

There is another issue to take into consideration that has not yet been brought up-NCAA. If you are of that age where you are or will be fencing at college competition, there are strict guidelines for accepting money from any outside source other than from family. Our club and its sponsoring organization is currently tackling this very issue and it is my understanding that our findings will be pubished shortly by the USFA.

[veeco]

Originally posted by Bugaboo:
<STRONG>So does anyone know whether Edew has won money at a major competition or not? He hasn't been really clear about that yet ...</STRONG>

I think he was: He made first place in the Hawaii Open last year, earning him $1,000.00 USD.
He also made money out of the now defunct PFL.

[oiuyt]

veeco- I think bugaboo was just trolling. Eric's been fairly clear....

-B

[edew]

Cutter, I did comment a bit about NCAA. Of course, NCAA students are not allowed to take money in any form for using their athletic skills. That said, we all know that various NCAA athletes (football and basketball the most notable examples) do take cash in some way or another.

The person to ask about all this should be Sherry Posthumus. She knows all the rules and ins and outs about money and NCAA. However, there's a very easy answer: can't get money. Of course, if the fencer does not intend to compete in NCAA tournaments (or even commingle with the athletes who are competing in NCAA), then there's no problem.

For example, one can go the Tiger Woods route and just drop out. Of course, he dropped out to earn $10M in earnings and endorsements. When fencing gets that kind of clout, I'm sure we'll be seeing plenty of drop-outs as well.

Junior/Cadet fencers who intend to fence NCAA when in college should also win tournaments with money. The fencer may compete in a tournament which gives out cash prizes, but the fencer cannot accept the prize. Oh well.

[sabreur]

Originally posted by edew:
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For example, one can go the Tiger Woods route and just drop out. Of course, he dropped out to earn $10M in earnings and endorsements. When fencing gets that kind of clout, I'm sure we'll be seeing plenty of drop-outs as well.

</STRONG>

That day, I'm afraid, will be a frosty one in Hades. (Uncontrollable giggling)

Regards, MR

[Cutter]

Eric, yes we have been working directly with Sherry regarding NCAA guidelines and have been assured that our new financial assistance program fits within those guidelines. We are working with USFA to get this program published to all for duplication around the country.

[oiuyt]

Cutter- any estimate on when that'll be coming out? Is it done and waiting for something w/the USFA or is it still work in progress?

-B

[Purple Fencer]

Originally posted by oiuyt:
<STRONG>Cutter- any estimate on when that'll be coming out? Is it done and waiting for something w/the USFA or is it still work in progress?

-B </STRONG>

Well, to paraphrase Mark (and as they might say in Norway) "When icicles ornament Suretur's firely realm."

or .. "when Satan skates to work."

[veeco]

One more thing that I think should be mentionned:

Both at the DITD and Hawaii Open, the cash is not given for 'winning' the tournament.

As a matter of fact, no money can be given as a prize of a USFA tournament.

The way the DITD and Hawaii Open get around this is by fencing the regular tournament first, until 2 people are left.

Then the 2 finalists fence one bout, 'for fame' which will decide the result of the USFA event. This is the result that will be communicated to the USFA.

After that bout, the fencers go at it another time (in another format). This time it is for the money.

As a matter of fact, at last year's DITD, David Cabouat, a French cadet fencer, won the USFA event. He then fenced that same evening against Michael D'Asaro Jr, for the money. And he lost.

[Purple Fencer]

And Jr. promptly blew all $500 that night!

Well...it WAS Vegas, after all!

[Cutter]

The information is still in the paper stage and we are working out the bugs. In fact I am off to another meeting tonight. Hopefully we will have the program all set up and ready to fly within the next month or so.