09-18-2004, 03:53 PM
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| Allstar Blade Colored or Super Blade
Well, I'm about to buy my first electric foil for a tournament coming up, and I'm trying to decide what to get. I'll probably be buying from Fechtsport-Lagenkamp. I've narrowed it down to their standard colored blade and their super non-colored blade (they don't sell the super blue blade). The price difference is minimal, so it really comes down to which one is better. Would it be to my advantage to buy a coated standard blade, or non-coated super blade?
Also, does anyone know if Fechtsport's colored blades are rainbow or gold?
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09-18-2004, 04:48 PM
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Originally Posted by OjBinge
Also, does anyone know if Fechtsport's colored blades are rainbow or gold?
| I don't know Langenkamp, but I have the StM Allstar Maraging colored blade. It's both. Gold and rainbow colored. It looks quite impressing, when sunlight hits it directly, as it reflects gold, blue, violet, red....
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09-18-2004, 10:18 PM
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| Did you know that you can make pretty jewelry out of broken blades? take the broken shards, clean them and sand them, and then heat them with a blow torch. They will turn blue and green and gold and purple.
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09-18-2004, 10:27 PM
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| it all depeneds on what "super" means is it fie or just a word to get you to buy it?
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09-18-2004, 11:16 PM
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| It's the name Allstar gives the blade. Both the ones I mentioned are non-FIE. Judging by hadouken's sarcastic advice, I'm assuming it be more worthwhile to spring for a maraging FIE blade. Care to give a clear answer this time?
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09-19-2004, 12:27 AM
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| I hope you are in Europe somewhere, otherwise Germany is a long way to ship just a foil from for a brand you can probably get from another vendor nearer by.
Also, if the tournament is soon, consider that an electric foil will feel substantially different from a dry foil; you should spend some time practicing with it well before the tournament.
oh yeah, and most rules require you have at least two working weapons and a spare body cord at the strip before each bout. | |
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09-19-2004, 04:18 AM
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| I end up saving a good bit of money by ordering from them, instead of Blade or the like. I'm buying the one weapon for myself, and I'll be using a club weapon as a backup. I've been using electric foils for a while now, I just don't have one of my own.... so back to the first question  . Which should I go for? Or should I just go all out and get an FIE approved blade?
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09-19-2004, 06:10 AM
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| It depends on how much money you have. You can get about 4 non-FIE for the price of a FIE, but the FIE will most likely last 4 times longer than a non-FIE. It's all about the wallet. Remember the 2 weapon rule. | 
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09-19-2004, 01:59 PM
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Originally Posted by telkanuru It depends on how much money you have. You can get about 4 non-FIE for the price of a FIE, but the FIE will most likely last 4 times longer than a non-FIE. It's all about the wallet. Remember the 2 weapon rule. | Take this one instead.... just cause your blade is fie doesnt mean the wire wont break or that it wont fail shims. Even though the blade may not break, things on the blade will, so dont make the mistake of thinking that an FIE is a problem free beast, its just a beast that lives long enough to have lots of problems. I'd just pick 2-3 decent non-fie blades, like a fleche, pbt, or leon paul.
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09-19-2004, 05:49 PM
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| I truly appreciate your advice, and I know I may seem stubborn here, but I'd just like to have my question answered, if possible. Should I go for a superior blade without coating, or a slightly inferior blade with the coating? Speaking of the coating, is it even that helpful in preventing corrosion? Thanks again for all of your replies, but please help me with this question.
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09-19-2004, 05:51 PM
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Originally Posted by OjBinge I truly appreciate your advice, and I know I may seem stubborn here, but I'd just like to have my question answered, if possible. Should I go for a superior blade without coating, or a slightly inferior blade with the coating? Speaking of the coating, is it even that helpful in preventing corrosion? Thanks again for all of your replies, but please help me with this question. | I'd go withe the one without the coating, and just make sure to keep it rust free. The coating is somewhat helpful, but nothing that you cant do yourself.
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09-19-2004, 09:13 PM
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Originally Posted by D+F+P=Hadouken! I'd go withe the one without the coating, and just make sure to keep it rust free. The coating is somewhat helpful, but nothing that you cant do yourself. |
seconded - I'd also go for the non-coated but better blade; just don't store it to long with your sweaty kit and it'll keep just fine with the odd wipe clean. | |
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09-20-2004, 02:33 AM
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Originally Posted by OjBinge I truly appreciate your advice, and I know I may seem stubborn here, but I'd just like to have my question answered, if possible. Should I go for a superior blade without coating, or a slightly inferior blade with the coating? Speaking of the coating, is it even that helpful in preventing corrosion? Thanks again for all of your replies, but please help me with this question. | If its truely about the coating / color, then get the blade you like. FIE blades are less prone to rusting anyway regardless of the coloring / coating because of the composition of the metal itself, not the patina on the surface. The real decision maker is whether you like the feel of a particular FIE blade or not. As for durability, FIE blades will last a little longer, but I don't know if you can put a specific factor on how much longer. A new FIE blade can be broken in the first hours of use...or last several years. It has more to do with how you use it. | |
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09-21-2004, 10:31 AM
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| my vote goes for the uncoated blade if you are just looking to get a sturdier weapon - my general rule is to get equipment that can last the test of time most efficently. Frankly, I would rather have to show my weapons a little more TLC out of competition and have a sturdier weapon when it is necessary.
It also depends on your weapon - Beginning foil definitely isn't as agressive as higher level foil. That is also something to consider.
Also, as someone has already stated, remember the two weapon rule - technically, you can have both blades! | |
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