New timings as of October 1st?

[DanInMI]

I was told that as of October 1st the new timings are to be used for all junior and senior USFA sanctioned events. I was told that includes all local events, not just national events.

I was told this by one of the vendors who said that he has an email from someone at the USFA saying so. (he is supposed to forward it to me.)

Can anyone confirm this?

[whtouche]

Seems doubtful, mostly for reasons mentioned in previous posts; including:
-All the boxes would have to be upgraded/changed, and that would take time(tho that might explain why they're putting it into effect for october, to give people the rest of september...tho I doubt that's even enough time.
-The FIE is just testing these changes anyways, and as someone said in a past post the USFA isn't in the business of instituting changes that are only in the testing phase.


I wish they would tho. I've played with the new timings and they're fun if frustrating.

[JEC]

Based on OIUYT's reaction to a recent post, I agree that they are not USFA official timings. However:

a) The new timings go into effect for FIE WC Junior and Senior on that date.
b) USFA will likely follow the lead, but not until after their October Board meeting, which OIUYT will most likely attend, and report into this media.

[sabreman]

I see no reason why the USFA would not make the changes if the FIE is making them manditory. Timing changes have been made before so this nothing new.

[fence1848]

The new timing is to be used for Junior World Cups. I did not hear anything about Senior events (they usually do the testing at Junior World Cups, first), but that does not mean it is not true. It will NOT be used at USFA events this year because the equipment is not yet available from vendors.

[fencerontheline]

Yeah it is- Zivcovic has them.

[Fencing Mom]

Fencers' Club has at least one machine set to the new timing. The coaches are teaching based on the new timing. Word around the club is that the new timing will be used for all USFA Jr. and Sr. events. . . at least that is what I was told.

[whtouche]

Yeah but everyone would have to get all new boxes, or have all the old ones upgraded, which is a substatial investment of time and money I believe, for something the FIE is just testing.

[JEC]

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[MikeHarm]

The sooner the better, clearly this change is going to stick. Once the changes go in those of us who adapt will be having a lot of fun winning medals kicking the butts of classical flickers who keep trying to hang on to outdated techniques that no longer suit the sport.

[mrbiggs]

"Classical flickers"

Ironic.

[klauver]

Originally Posted by MikeHarm

The sooner the better, clearly this change is going to stick. Once the changes go in those of us who adapt will be having a lot of fun winning medals kicking the butts of classical flickers who keep trying to hang on to outdated techniques that no longer suit the sport.

I kept trying to read this as "classical fencers" and thought that you didn't understand the changes. Then I had to ask myself how old you were to be thinking of "flickers" as classical?

[rory]

Originally Posted by fence1848

The new timing is to be used for Junior World Cups. I did not hear anything about Senior events (they usually do the testing at Junior World Cups, first), but that does not mean it is not true. It will NOT be used at USFA events this year because the equipment is not yet available from vendors.

Incorrect.
The new timings are in use for all FIE events: Grand Prix, A-Grades, World Champs and even Satellites, at sabre and foil, in both Junior and Senior.
And Cadets Worlds too.

[DanInMI]

Originally Posted by MikeHarm

...classical flickers who keep trying to hang on to outdated techniques ....

That post is great Mike.

[DanInMI]

Originally Posted by rory

Incorrect.
The new timings are in use for all FIE events: Grand Prix, A-Grades, World Champs and even Satellites, at sabre and foil, in both Junior and Senior.
And Cadets Worlds too.

Yes, I believe that it is true that the new timings have been adopted for both senior and junior FIE events.

However, John (at Triplette) was adamant that the USFA have also adopted the new timings, and that the new timings take effect as of October 1st. He told me that they rreceived an email from someone at the USFA (but I didn't think to ask specifically who it was from.)

I can't seem to find anyone that can confirm this rumor. Also the USFA website is down.

[JEC]

oiuyt is in the board of directors of usfa. He said that these changes could be discussed and approved in the October meeting, but they are not now.

[mike morgan]

Originally Posted by JEC

oiuyt is in the board of directors of usfa. He said that these changes could be discussed and approved in the October meeting, but they are not now.

It is also my understanding that at the forthcoming USFA
Board meeting the new timings will be adopted for all USFA Jr and Senior events, including the October NACs in Atlanta. Also, there is serious discussion about adopting the new timings for the forthcoming NCAA fencing season.

My club now regularly trains with the new timings. Whatever your opinion as to the propriety of the new timings, woe to those who do not adapt to them or train with them.

[oiuyt]

In theory the new executive committee could probably also declare the change and then have it voted on at the next BoD meeting. As far as I know this has not yet happened.

While the USFA has a very strong preference for only making changes at the beginning of a season (to the point where we frequently are out of step with the FIE, which frequently makes changes as of Jan 1, as was the case with things such as the reversing the shoulder rule in foil for much of last season), this is a big enough change that I could see the USFA deciding that we need to do it mid-season. Even if/when that happens I expect that it will be well advertised and announced in advance.

Earliest I would think is reasonable is if the October BoD meeting had the issue as urgent (reasonable), voted in the changes, and set Jan 1 as the change date. Even that will cause confusion and problems with many people struggling to figure out how/where to get their machines upgraded (assuming that their machines even CAN be upgraded). But that's just a guess. The FIE changing things with little notice to the national federations is the big problem here. Even at the beginning of July when the BoD was voting on changes to the rules there was no indication that the timing changes might be extended to senior events this season.

-B :)

[Boo Boo]

Originally Posted by oiuyt

Even if/when that happens I expect that it will be well advertised and announced in advance.

Earliest I would think is reasonable is if the October BoD meeting had the issue as urgent (reasonable), voted in the changes, and set Jan 1 as the change date.

Lucky you lot... we (British) had about a month/six weeks nottice of the adoption of the new timings. Then the BFA changed their minds and then they brought the change to the new timings forward with about two weeks nottice before the first major competition to use them...

A few of us have been lucky and had the opportunity to use boxes with the new timings, still - which such short nottice - the first competitions to use the new timings, this weekend, is likely to be chaos... (infact I suggested that someone could make a large amount of money by running a "swear box" - think that it will get plenty of use this weekend...!)

Still, I guess that it will be short and sharp - better to do it, get used to it and get on with things. It would be nice if more clubs update their boxes quickly (we have borrowed a box from an equipment supplier and are currently take around the clubs that we go to...).

The worst thing will be if the FIE decides NOT to adopt the changes after the trial...

Boo

[JEC]

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