Video on sabre refereeing

[sabreur]

The French Fencing Federation has a 16 minute video on sabre refereeing on their website: http://www.escrime-ffe.fr/videos/videos.htm.

You need to know some French, but not too much. Some very nice demonstations of different situations.

MR

[reposte]

Are you kidding me?
There's an entire final Borella/Omnes on that page - that's a collector's Item - and your concern is Sabre Refereeing....?

[veeco]

It's actually missing the whole 2nd period, which interestingly is the one where Omnes loses 5-1. Of course, you won't be surprised to learn that Omnes is currently the National Technical Director for the French Fencing Federation... :-)

Or one could say that French TV is awfully chauvinistic. Pick your choice!

[sabreur]

Originally Posted by reposte

Are you kidding me?
There's an entire final Borella/Omnes on that page - that's a collector's Item - and your concern is Sabre Refereeing....?

Foil blah blah blah,.... foil blah blah blah,........foil blah, blah, blah!

Why do foilists think they are the center of the universe? Because their egos are so large they are like black holes that suck everything toward them? Or because their egos are so fragile, they need everyone to pay attention to them all the time?

I except Vezzali and Trillini from this screed--they are so good, they don't have to be neurotic.

MR

[reposte]

Well, I think it's neither. It is accepted that foil represents the most difficult fencing discipline and is the flag ship of fencing in that regard.

At any rate, regardless to that discussion, I wes merely referring to the fact that although a sabre refereeing video is nice and well, it doesn't carry much value in it's wake in terms of historical importance as a piece of footage.
Footage of Omnes and Borella is pretty rare and has a much greater value to fencers in general and to foilists in particular.
No need to be offended.
Much less offend others.

[sabreur]

Originally Posted by reposte

Well, I think it's neither. It is accepted that foil represents the most difficult fencing discipline and is the flag ship of fencing in that regard.

At any rate, regardless to that discussion, I wes merely referring to the fact that although a sabre refereeing video is nice and well, it doesn't carry much value in it's wake in terms of historical importance as a piece of footage.
Footage of Omnes and Borella is pretty rare and has a much greater value to fencers in general and to foilists in particular.
No need to be offended.
Much less offend others.

But it is so much fun....

Didn't mean it TOO earnestly (maybe a little) .

By the way, I think there are a number of epeeists, and certainly this here sabreur, would take exception from foil's self-annointed place as the most difficult weapon and the flagship of fencing....

MR

[veeco]

Originally Posted by sabreur

But it is so much fun....
By the way, I think there are a number of epeeists, and certainly this here sabreur, would take exception from foil's self-annointed place as the most difficult weapon and the flagship of fencing....

I second that!

BTW, I think that this sabre refereeing video is pretty good. It's something that really shows well how the actions are called and watching it was a good thing for me. I feel that I have a better understanding of what sabre timing is now.

Also, for those who are interested, the fencer on the left is Boris Sanson, who was the alternate on the gold medal winning team in this year's olympics.

[dunastor]

Originally Posted by veeco

Also, for those who are interested, the fencer on the left is Boris Sanson, who was the alternate on the gold medal winning team in this year's olympics.

So that's why he was winning all the practice bouts....

[veeco]

Probably :-). Although the guy on the right is no pushover either: it's Marouf Nourdin, who was a very strong international junior fencer.

[reposte]

By the way, I think there are a number of epeeists, and certainly this here sabreur, would take exception from foil's self-annointed place as the most difficult weapon and the flagship of fencing....

"...Er ist sich seiner Tollheit halb bewußt..."

[Epee_Pox]

Originally Posted by reposte

"...Er ist sich seiner Tollheit halb bewußt..."

Ah, Goethe. Very nice.

Not sure how apt Mephistopheles' words are here, however.

[fencerX]

Originally Posted by sabreur

Foil blah blah blah,.... foil blah blah blah,........foil blah, blah, blah!

Why do foilists think they are the center of the universe? Because their egos are so large they are like black holes that suck everything toward them? Or because their egos are so fragile, they need everyone to pay attention to them all the time?

Als Gregor Samsa eines Morgens aus unruhigen Träumen erwachte, fand er sich in seinem Bett zu einem ungeheuren Foilist verwandelt ...

[vigia]

Originally Posted by fencerX

Als Gregor Samsa eines Morgens aus unruhigen Träumen erwachte, fand er sich in seinem Bett zu einem ungeheuren Foilist verwandelt ...

Ha ha ha ha ha!

[Epee_Pox]

Originally Posted by fencerX

Als Gregor Samsa eines Morgens aus unruhigen Träumen erwachte, fand er sich in seinem Bett zu einem ungeheuren Foilist verwandelt ...

Now THAT is apt!

[Neil]

Originally Posted by reposte

Are you kidding me?
There's an entire final Borella/Omnes on that page - that's a collector's Item - and your concern is Sabre Refereeing....?

The foil refereeing video on the same site is pretty awesome too; it's got a lot of example touches from two bouts between Zennaro and Golubitsky, and Zennaro and Kim. Some of the touches by Golubitsky are sublime. Does anyone know what competition those bouts were from?

It also shows some touches from a third bout, but I can't make out the names of who are fencing. One of these touches is absolutely amazing - fencer left is pushed to the back of the strip and ends up crouching near the ground with his front leg stretched out and only his heel on the strip. He parries his opponent's flick to his back, then scores with a flick ripost to the shoulder - very cool!

[reposte]

It's the 1999 WC's, and I think third bout is the German Weinend (left) against Ferrari Jean Noel (possibly, not sure about either except it's a German on the right and and a Frenchie on the left).

[wflaschka]

Originally Posted by Neil

The foil refereeing video on the same site is pretty awesome too; it's got a lot of example touches from two bouts between Zennaro and Golubitsky, and Zennaro and Kim. Some of the touches by Golubitsky are sublime. Does anyone know what competition those bouts were from?

You can find the Golubitsky bouts (G vs Kim, G vs Gregory, G vs Zennaro) in the for-sale DVD "Golubitsky's Golden Bouts."

One of these touches is absolutely amazing - fencer left is pushed to the back of the strip and ends up crouching near the ground with his front leg stretched out and only his heel on the strip. He parries his opponent's flick to his back, then scores with a flick ripost to the shoulder - very cool!

I don't recognize thses fencers... Golubitsky does something just like this against Gregory (Cuba) in the '98/'99 World Champ indiv finals.

[edew]

Originally Posted by reposte

It's the 1999 WC's, and I think third bout is the German Weinend (left) against Ferrari Jean Noel (possibly, not sure about either except it's a German on the right and and a Frenchie on the left).

Most of the examples/actions were from the 1999 WCs in Seoul Korea. Golubitsky vs Zennaro, Zennaro vs Kim, etc.

The one with the guy who's on his heels at the end (looks like he left the strip, but it's not that clear - darn WMV resolution) is from a 2000 or later event because the scoring lights were switched. The fencer on the right is Ferrari (pretty clear), the fencer on the left (the one who's on his heels) is not clear. Looks like an Italian fencer more than a German fencer, but I could be wrong.