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garyhayenga · 02-20-2005, 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by DHCJr

There is at least one NOT on the east coast, Stanford.

There are a few more that have a limited number of fencing scholarships. Wayne State University in Detroit has something like 2 scholarships total for both Men's and Women's varsity teams. Northwestern University in Evanston, IL near Chicago has only women's varsity, and I believe that they also have 2 fencing scholarships.

gary hayenga

Mo · 02-20-2005, 02:21 PM

I have been doing some research for the NCCA requirements for Homeschoolers. The following right off the website for homeschooled students and NCAA eligibility seems to indicate that classes taken in a college if they fullfill the "CORE" requirements are accepted without starting the clock.

What courses may be used to meet the core-course requirements?

In Division I, generally only courses completed in grades nine through 12 may be considered core courses. Courses taken in summer school after the eighth semester of high school may not be used to meet the core-course requirements. In Division II, a student may use all core courses completed prior to initial, full-time collegiate enrollment to meet the core-curriculum requirements (including a core course completed during summer school after grade 12). A college course taken during high school by a home-schooled student may be used to meet the core-course requirements, provided the course is placed on the home-school transcript, would be accepted for any other student and meets all requirements to be considered a core course. In order for any course to be considered a core course, the course must include individualized, teacher-led instruction. [Note: Courses completed during eighth grade, correspondence courses, internet courses, independent study courses and credits awarded through credit-by-exam may not be used to meet the core-course requirements.]

The requirements are weird. If your kid is pretty advanced in a subject and takes the classes before their "official" 9th grade year, they don't count. It is interesting the topic has come up again.
I wonder what a college would do if the fencer was really good and they WANTED THEM BADLY!!!

DieterS · 02-20-2005, 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by DHCJr

There is at least one NOT on the east coast, Stanford.

Apparently so. However, the list of universities offering fencing scholarships changes from year to year. For example, one list that I found on the internet included Princeton and Duke, but I read some recent news articles that said how proud they were at their recent results even though they don't offer fencing scholarships. http://www.fencingclub.org/parentinfo.html has helpful advice including the following list of universities that (at least at the time the list was written) included the following:

Columbia
Duke
Harvard
New York University
Notre Dame
Penn State
Princeton
Rutgers
Saint Johns (Redmen)
University of Pennsylvania

Yale

The website also includes all universities that have NCAA teams. It occurs to me that it would be a great resource here if there were an up-to-date list of those universities that offer fencing scholarships, how much they're for, and how many offered.

Any volunteers?

Dieter

prototoast · 02-20-2005, 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by DieterS

Columbia
Duke
Harvard
New York University
Notre Dame
Penn State
Princeton
Rutgers
Saint Johns (Redmen)
University of Pennsylvania

Yale

That list is horribly flawed. Ivy league teams cannot offer athletic scholarships--not even to their football teams.

oiuyt · 02-21-2005, 02:02 AM

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Originally Posted by HDG

Oiuyt,
What years were you at Hopkins? Did you fence? I was there MA & PhD from 97-2004. Fenced a couple of times at the club, but grad school always got in the way.
harry

94-98
BS (Computer Science, Mathematical Sciences double)
I fenced all four years, epee.

-B :)

oiuyt · 02-21-2005, 02:09 AM

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Originally Posted by prototoast

That list is horribly flawed. Ivy league teams cannot offer athletic scholarships--not even to their football teams.

No kidding, NYU is division III and therefore cannot offer athletics scholarships. And then the list fails to include a number of schools which DO offer scholarships in fencing (granted it says "including" as part of the header for the list...).

I ran across a document about a year ago which specified how many scholarships each NCAA school offered in each sport that they sponsor. Wish I could find it again.

For reference, Temple does offer fencing scholarships.

-B :)

DHCJr · 02-21-2005, 12:13 PM

Northwester may not give men's scholarships, but they do have a men's NCAA team. They brought their whole team to Stanford for a dual meet and to San Diego for a tournament.

Fencing Mom · 02-21-2005, 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by oiuyt

No kidding, NYU is division III and therefore cannot offer athletics scholarships.

Fencing at NYU is Division I. All other sports at the school are Division III. I do not know if they offer scholarships.

garyhayenga · 02-21-2005, 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by DHCJr

Northwester may not give men's scholarships, but they do have a men's NCAA team. They brought their whole team to Stanford for a dual meet and to San Diego for a tournament.

Northwestern's Men's team is a club team and not a varsity team any longer. They are not funded by the athletic department, but through the university's club sports groups, and are not eligible for the scholarships or NCAA Championships. Instead they compete in the collegiate Club Championships.

gary hayenga

prototoast · 02-21-2005, 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Fencing Mom

Fencing at NYU is Division I.

Not according to the NCAA:

http://web1.ncaa.org/ssLists/sportBy...E&division=ALL

fencerX · 02-21-2005, 04:25 PM

There used to be a waiver that permitted any Division III school to continue to offer athletic related scholarships in any Div I sports programs they happened to offer back in 1982-83. In 2004 the waiver was narrowed down to allow only the Division III schools that currently offered athletic scholarships in Div I sports they sponsored to continue to do so. The schools that still have the waiver for particular sports are Clarkson, Colorado College, Hartwick, Johns Hopkins, SUNY Oneonta, RPI, Rutgers, the State Univ of New Jersey Newark, St Lawrence.

There are still some other Division III schools that sponsor Div I sports programs for various reasons, but they can't offer athletic based scholarships anymore.

The 2004 Division III member session also adopted legislation that futher limited voluntary out of season athlete workouts with coaches in some sports including fencing.

Back when NYU could and did offer fencing related scholarships, some notable recipients supposedly included Neil Diamond and Peter Westbrook. Of course there's no Div III rule against good fencers getting academic scholarships and then fencing at NYU, just don't expect NYU to be able to earmark any scholarship funds for fencing ability alone.

wflaschka · 02-21-2005, 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by prototoast

Not according to the NCAA:
http://web1.ncaa.org/ssLists/sportBy...E&division=ALL

I can understand the error, tho. NYU is indeed Div III, but for most practical purposes its fencing is Div I (this is not true of the other sports). In my time, we attended the UAAs every year, but the meets we cared about were normal NCAA things and dual meets with our peers in Div I. NYU has a budget, a salle, several coaches -- it was sort of odd because the program "felt" quite big and intense, but it was only Div III. I could've used a fencing scholarship, though.