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Fencing Mom · 08-30-2004, 03:20 PM

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telkanuru
NYU does fencing scholarships too. Good luck getting one.

NYU is a Division III athletic school, giving no athletic scholarships.

swordsen · 08-30-2004, 04:04 PM

Wow. Talk about mass confusion. It seems no one has any idea who does or does not give scholarships.

Or prehaps it would be more accurate to say someone has a clue but no one one the outside can tell who does and who doesn't.

Georgia Southern does NOT offer any fencing scholarships. Of that I am certain.

(but we do help cover tournament expenses and some equipment expenses.)

MHS Fencer · 08-30-2004, 04:30 PM

NYU is a Div III school, but their fencing is Div I and awards scholarships - a non-fencing friend of mine was on their tour and they mentioned this fact. I believe it's also mentioned in that big college guide whose name escapes me right now.

dekko · 08-30-2004, 05:58 PM

I would suspect those looking for fencing scholarships who might get them will most likely be based on timing as opposed to ability. Obviously the better fencer is more likely to get the ride but if they are good on Men's Foil for the next 3-4 years they are less likely to recruit, via scholarship, another foil fencer. They are more likely to go after, for instance, a great women's epee fencer because the need is greater. Also, from what I have heard, many schools give scholarships that are the Person X memorial that some how or another goes to a fencer every year. Usually the alum's fund such a thing.

Good luck with your girl getting one of the very limited scholarships of either kind.

telkanuru · 08-30-2004, 07:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Fencing Mom

NYU is a Division III athletic school, giving no athletic scholarships.

Curious then, as a person from my division is said to be going to NYU on a full scholarship for fencing with coaching and travel expenses covered.

Fencing Mom · 08-30-2004, 08:13 PM

Well, I can't speak for the fencer from your division, but this was posted this month on NYU's admissions dept. bulletin board in answer to a question:

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Board Administrator:

posted August 20, 2004 10:01 AM

Hi Jules - Thank you for your interest in New York University. NYU is a Division III athletic institution and, as such, we are prohibited from offering athletes athletic scholarship. Merit-based and need-based financial aid is awarded to over 70% of our undergraduate population.

While we are a DIII school, NYU still has a very active athletic community on-campus. We encourage you to learn more about athletic opportunities at NYU by taking a look at the following web-site:

http://www.nyuathletics.com/home/

HDG · 08-30-2004, 09:02 PM

Take a look at my alma mater, Johns Hopkins; I believe that they offer fencing scholarships.

telkanuru · 08-30-2004, 09:16 PM

Admissions depts sadly frequently overlook fencing. As MHS said, fencing is DI, so confusion over the matter is understandable.

wflaschka · 08-30-2004, 09:32 PM

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Originally Posted by telkanuru

Curious then, as a person from my division is said to be going to NYU on a full scholarship for fencing with coaching and travel expenses covered.

The NYU fencing team competes like a normal Div I school, though the school and the rest of the sports are Div III. IIRC, we were "demoted" because of some basketball scandal a long time ago.

On the fencing team, you get a daily stipend during tournaments, travel is taken care of (sometimes airplane, usually bus), and you have access to some very good coaching. But scholarships -- this would be a gigantic change, I'd be pretty surprised (and pleased) if that was true.

The person from your division may have some terms mixed up. Work-study and grants also scale up to "full". I remember, as a pre-Grad, I was on the phone with NYU. Clueless as I was, I thought I was speaking to the Peter Westbrook (who was not associated with NYU), but no, it was an Indian grad student who was assistant-coaching at the time. The accent didn't tip me off. So, there's a lot of room to misconstrue.

wflaschka · 08-30-2004, 09:35 PM

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Originally Posted by telkanuru

Curious then, as a person from my division is said to be going to NYU on a full scholarship for fencing with coaching and travel expenses covered.

The NYU fencing team competes like a normal Div I school, though the school and the rest of the sports are Div III. IIRC, we were "demoted" because of some basketball scandal a long time ago.

On the fencing team, you get a daily stipend during tournaments, travel is taken care of (sometimes airplane, usually bus), and you have access to some very good coaching. But scholarships -- this would be a gigantic change, I'd be pretty surprised (and pleased) if that was true.

The person from your division may have some terms mixed up. Work-study and grants also scale up to "full". I remember, as a pre-Grad, I was on the phone with NYU. Clueless as I was, I thought I was speaking to the Peter Westbrook (who was not associated with NYU), but no, it was an Indian grad student who was assistant-coaching at the time. The accent didn't tip me off. Though I'm not a great example, I think there's a lot of room to misconstrue.

(EDIT: where "pre-Grad" = "pre under-grad")

telkanuru · 08-30-2004, 11:23 PM

Truely. It came through the pipline, and "a man who knows a man, knows nothing", as the old adage goes. I'll pull a doublecheck.

Waterfowl · 08-31-2004, 07:36 PM

A fencing scholarship would be incredible. What is "work/study"?

prototoast · 08-31-2004, 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Waterfowl

A fencing scholarship would be incredible. What is "work/study"?

Work-study is a mandatory part of financial aid... basically it's just work, and most places that give need-based scholarships also force you to get a job on campus, which they call "work-study"... it's just a job, but they bundle it as "financial aid".

telkanuru · 08-31-2004, 09:17 PM

I am incorrect *hangs head in shame*. The person was misinformed. Oops, and sorry.

Waterfowl · 08-31-2004, 09:36 PM

ah.....do they pay you at all?

prototoast · 08-31-2004, 10:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Waterfowl

ah.....do they pay you at all?

You get paid. It's just a regular job (though some schools make you work in special things--often washing dishes or something). Basically it's just "mandatory job to be eligible for financial aid."

oiuyt · 09-01-2004, 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by HDG

Take a look at my alma mater, Johns Hopkins; I believe that they offer fencing scholarships.

Hopkins does NOT offer fencing scholarships. They, also, are Division III in all sports except for lacrosse (men's and women's). LAX scholarships? Yes. Fencing? No.

-B :)
*also a Hopkins grad*

oiuyt · 09-01-2004, 10:13 AM

Work-study jobs are federally (I believe) subsidized jobs. They therefore provide an incentive for employers to hire more workers than otherwise possible and steer those jobs to the students who need financial assistance. Generally as a part of most need-based financial aid packages there will be some work-study hours included. You may work at a work-study job for up to the granted number of hours. The idea is that the government pays part of the wage and the employer pays the other part of the wage and more jobs are available to the students. Not as expensive to the government as a grant, not as expensive to the employer as non-subsidized hiring, money available to students willing to work for it that might otherwise have trouble finding a job. Most work-study jobs take place on college campuses, which additionally tends to make them convenient for students.

Actually working at the work-study job isn't required AFAIK, but if you don't then you're giving up that portion of your aid package (of course if you can find a better paying or otherwise more convenient non-work-study job that's not much of an issue).

-B :)

bg0687 · 09-01-2004, 11:35 PM

It seems like everyone has decided to stray from the original question so I'll give a bit of advice. You technically cannot speak to college coaches until July 1st of the beginning of your Senior year in high school. Speaking to them and asking a question beforehand is a violation of NCAA rules. Not a good thing. Plus you lose eligibility for 1 year meaning you'll get no scholarships. So for now it would probably be in your best interest to amass information from the public and wait to talk to coaches at a later date.

veeco · 09-02-2004, 08:31 AM

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Originally Posted by bg0687

It seems like everyone has decided to stray from the original question so I'll give a bit of advice. You technically cannot speak to college coaches until July 1st of the beginning of your Senior year in high school. Speaking to them and asking a question beforehand is a violation of NCAA rules. Not a good thing. Plus you lose eligibility for 1 year meaning you'll get no scholarships. So for now it would probably be in your best interest to amass information from the public and wait to talk to coaches at a later date.

Huh? My knowledge in this area is limited, but I always thought that the coaches were not allowed to initiate contact with prospective student athletes. However if the student athlete contacts the coach on his own, then there is no problem as to what the date is.