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Old 08-26-2004, 10:32 AM   #61
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Old 08-26-2004, 12:17 PM   #62
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If you look at the minimum list that Eric showed and there are more, that averages around $30,000, IF there are no other expenses than that for that category. I would say the USFA is getting off cheap.
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Old 08-26-2004, 02:32 PM   #63
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If you look at the minimum list that Eric showed and there are more, that averages around $30,000, IF there are no other expenses than that for that category. I would say the USFA is getting off cheap.

and if you assume that 30-50% of that $30,000 is for employer taxes and benefits then USFA is probably paying close to minimum wage.
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That's right. After subtracting taxes and such, I'm guessing some are making around $18-20K. Which might be enough to live on in Colorado Springs. Not in a place like SF or LA.

My understanding is that the exec dir should earn about 10% of revenue generated through fund raising and such. The exec director's job at most non-profit orgs is to raise money. Now, if that is to run good NACs and such in the USFA case, I can imagine that would suffice. Ideally, it's to bang on corporation's doors to get money.

I would imagine, after this rather successful Olympics, Michael will have a better position to do such. He can hit up the existing folks, United, Coke, McDonalds, etc. for more cash or in-kind services. He might try to hit on Verizon, consider Keeth works for them. He could hit on Nike for the Oregon angle (although he'll have to get a pass from Adidas first, which means he'll have some negotiating power).

I think USFA should get some financial windfall for this Olympics success. If not, then Michael's gotta go or something.
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Old 08-26-2004, 05:38 PM   #65
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Went looking for other line items that might contain salaries (or significant portions of them). "International Office Administration" is $114,000 (actually spent $119,000, 04-05 budget is $128,000). While that very probably covers non-salary expenses, I'm fairly certain that someone's salary (or a couple of someones) is considered a part of international office administration. "National Events Administration" was budgeted at $84,000, spent $112,000 and is budgeted at $90,000 for this coming season. There's additionally a note referencing that line item:

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Line 111, National Events Administration. This line was $28,000 over budget. This line includes all intern salaries that were increased last fall by the USOC. Previously, interns were available to us at no charge. Last fall, with no notice, the charge rose to over $8 per hour. We have discontinued intern use and expect that this line will revert to normal in the coming year.
Interestingly, in last year's budget report (7/03, the above was from 7/04) the line item had been budgeted for $59,000, $90,000 had been spent, and the budget was increased to $84,000. The following was the associated note:

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National Events Administration [Line 112] The current year included USOC interns, whose cost (charged as a grant) was significantly increased recently. The proposed budget is without interns but reflects a shift of some personnel expense from Membership Services.
I hadn't caught until now that the USFA had announced a policy of not using interns prior to last season and then got hit by significant added intern costs last fall. Anyway, it seems clear that event administration (national and international as separate line items) both include some salary costs.

Media Relations Administration, similarly, probably includes some or all of Cindy Bent's salary costs.

Okay, looking through more closely I don't find other line items that are likely to include salaries (or portions of salaries, I wouldn't be surprised to find some positions to be apportioned over various line items).

Total for the categories mentioned (General Office Admin, Member Services Admin, Media Relations Admin, National Event Admin, International Event Admin) was budgeted at $516,000, $559,000 was actually spent, and $548,000 is budgeted for this coming season (drop in media relations admin being a non-Olympic year, other categories are increased).

Sorry for not catching the additional admin categories and realizing that they included salary costs earlier.

Incidently, for reference, "Membership Dues" was the source of $612,680 in revenue (budgeted for $566,000, $728,000 is the budget for 04-05 which, I believe, does not take into account the increase in the dues cost for this coming season (budget was prepared assuming no changes in status quo, clearly the increase in the cost of a membership will result in additional revenue for the organization beyond that budgeted for). So administrative costs were close to the full amount generated via memberships (although some portion of these costs are directly covered by earmarked USOC grants, which is the second-largest revenue line item).

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maybe where you sign in the night before and then the next day you just show up and fence.
Yes, and there would be about 60 flights of pools, which would take 4 days alone. It would be approximately 24 hours between your first few DE bouts. But you have to stay at the strip the whole time and there are 15 rounds of direct elimination, which means that it could go on for about a few weeks straight.

The point is, right now, events that have about 256 fencers are already going from about 8 a.m. until 11 p.m. No one on the face of this planet wants to deal with an event that has 18,066 fencers.
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