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noodle · 08-22-2004, 10:00 PM

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Originally Posted by edew

Suppliers (the equipment vendors) already have that information for jackets and such. They already know how many of whatever size jackets, left- or right-handeded, and number of foil and saber lames (to indicate weapon). With that information, they should have no problems offering the distributors the relative proportions, and the distributors would have no problems asking the manufacturers for the proper amounts.

A different shoe for each weapon may be easier to do than to make different sized shoes, it seems to me.

so you're suggesting we make a shoe for each weapon, but it comes only in one size?

the fact of the matter is that it will cost more to make a type of shoe for each separate weapon.

D+F+P=Hadouken! · 08-22-2004, 10:08 PM

Really, whats the point of weapon oriented shoes. Saberists need running shoes, cause thats all they do on the piste, run around. Foilists need ballet shoes, cause on the piste they just dance around like ballerina's. Epeeists just need steel toed boots, we dont move around on the piste.

Sarah · 08-22-2004, 10:57 PM

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Originally Posted by D+F+P=Hadouken!

Really, whats the point of weapon oriented shoes. Saberists need running shoes, cause thats all they do on the piste, run around. Foilists need ballet shoes, cause on the piste they just dance around like ballerina's. Epeeists just need steel toed boots, we dont move around on the piste.

hehe! Ballet shoes! I need both then. I think that the steel toed boots would take a bit of getting used to compared to the ballet shoes..

canthidefromme · 08-22-2004, 11:09 PM

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Originally Posted by edew

Maybe Nike can make a Nike "Saber", a Nike "Foil" and a Nike "Epee" for the different weapons. Being specialized like that might make for a better marketing approach. They will all be slightly different, and if they're asymmetric, that'll be better as well.

But what of the 2 and 3 weapon fencers?

qatet · 08-22-2004, 11:14 PM

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Originally Posted by canthidefromme

But what of the 2 and 3 weapon fencers?

steel-toed ballet boots.

oiuyt · 08-22-2004, 11:35 PM

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Originally Posted by canthidefromme

But what of the 2 and 3 weapon fencers?

I'm sure the vendors would HATE to sell you 2 and 3 pairs of shoes. :)

-B :)

prototoast · 08-22-2004, 11:39 PM

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Originally Posted by oiuyt

I'm sure the vendors would HATE to sell you 2 and 3 pairs of shoes.

-B

Maybe they could come up with a foil shoe, a sabre shoe, an epee shoe, a foil/epee shoe, a foil/sabre shoe, an epee/sabre shoe and a 3 weapon shoe...
it would be the most complicated footwear decision ever.

oiuyt · 08-22-2004, 11:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Boo Boo

As a non-American, can someone tell me what is so important about NCAA status?

Would a College basically pull any sponsorship/scholarship because an athlete was unable to compete in the NCAAs (even if they were Olympic champion and one of the top fencers in the world?)?

It's an athletics scholarship to participate as part of the team in NCAA competition. If you can't do that there's no point to the team offering you the scholarship. With Notre Dame tuition, room, and board running about $32,500/year that's a fair amount that would need to be made up by any sponsor before it became (financially) worthwhile.

For what it's worth Sada should be back competing for Yale again this year. And isn't Emily Jacobson about to start at Columbia? Mmmm, that can make for a fun NCAA championships this March. Given that those are both Ivy's (which cannot offer athletics scholarships) that removes that financial consideration from the balance, but I'd be surprised if either would accept sponsorship and forego NCAA eligibility even so.

NCAA's tend to be a fairly big deal in the US.

-B :)

Inquartata · 08-23-2004, 04:36 AM

Yes. Let's face it, if outside money offers were really worth more than the benefits of playing in the NCAA and getting a free education, we'd see football and basketball prospects refusing scholarships left and right, because the money available in those sports is really impressive.

As for her leaving Korfanty, I suspect that he may be getting offers to coach at a major University, a la Nazlimov. Maybe even, who knows---Notre Dame?

edew · 08-23-2004, 05:20 AM

I might guess (hope) that he approaches an Oregon school, maybe Portland State, to start a fencing program there.

There's certainly a need for more NCAAs in the western region.

Inquartata · 08-23-2004, 05:56 AM

Yes, but they probably can't afford to pay the sort of salary that'd lure Korfanty away from running a successful private program. There are universities that could, though, I suspect. And now, they may be willing to do so.

qatet · 08-23-2004, 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Inquartata

Yes. Let's face it, if outside money offers were really worth more than the benefits of playing in the NCAA and getting a free education, we'd see football and basketball prospects refusing scholarships left and right, because the money available in those sports is really impressive.

As for her leaving Korfanty, I suspect that he may be getting offers to coach at a major University, a la Nazlimov. Maybe even, who knows---Notre Dame?

But why would a really serious coach want to train people he's only going to see for four years? One can't do all that much in that amount of time, especially as you're usually retraining your athletes. I can't remember which article it was (newspaper of some sort, it's up in our club) that quoted Arkady talking about how much damage going to school would have doen Sada - and Yale hasa good coach. It works both ways - bad news for elite coaches, bad news for elite fencers.

Inquartata · 08-23-2004, 09:18 AM

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Originally Posted by qatet

But why would a really serious coach want to train people he's only going to see for four years?

I don't know. Perhaps we could ask Nazlymov. I suspect that money is a good part of the answer...

prototoast · 08-23-2004, 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Inquartata

I don't know. Perhaps we could ask Nazlymov. I suspect that money is a good part of the answer...

In addition to just the money, there's also the benefits (vacation time, health insurance, retirement if you make it that long), as well as much more job stability.

qatet · 08-23-2004, 11:08 AM

If the elite coaches wanted college/university jobs, don't you think that they'd have them already? Who would really look at one of these guys applying for a job and say no?

Inquartata · 08-23-2004, 11:44 AM

You need a "rep" first. And not just in your home country. And not just among fencers. Nazlymov didn't get his job right off, either.

kalivor · 08-23-2004, 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Inquartata

Yes. Let's face it, if outside money offers were really worth more than the benefits of playing in the NCAA and getting a free education, we'd see football and basketball prospects refusing scholarships left and right, because the money available in those sports is really impressive.

But we do, at least in basketball (football may be a different story, as an 18-year-old's body isn't up for an NFL-level pounding). Why do basketball players skip college to go straight to the NBA? Why to they leave before their degree is done? Because the money they're being offered by the NBA is far more than the scholarships are worth. Do you really think that players like LeBron James and Kobe Bryant jumped straight to the NBA for lack of scholarship offers?

glowstix · 08-23-2004, 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by D+F+P=Hadouken!

we dont move around on the piste.

aahhh...YEAH, we do!!

noodle · 08-23-2004, 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by glowstix

aahhh...YEAH, we do!!

i was just about to comment on that

dude if you're an epeeist and you don't move around on strip you're going to find yourself hitting a wall sooner or later...

Peach · 08-23-2004, 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Inquartata

I don't know. Perhaps we could ask Nazlymov. I suspect that money is a good part of the answer...

Interestingly enough, I did ask Nazlymov, soon after he went to Ohio State. He told me he wanted the freedom to give lessons to the students he wanted to, without having individual parents demanding more for their kids because they were paying. I'm sure that's only part of the answer, because it was a brief conversation, but there are definitely advantages to being paid for overall results rather than individual ones, if you're a professional coach.