08-16-2004, 11:16 AM
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| Odd "technical" (?) question about knickers
I was sold a right-handed pair of knickers (I'm a lefty) at Allstar and they said it was OK for ANY competitions. Is it? I've looked through the athletic handbook and the operation manual trying to find specifics about knickers, and couldn't find anything specifically talking about that. So, should I be concerned or not? | 
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08-16-2004, 11:22 AM
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Originally Posted by scarlet_woman156k I was sold a right-handed pair of knickers (I'm a lefty) at Allstar and they said it was OK for ANY competitions. Is it? I've looked through the athletic handbook and the operation manual trying to find specifics about knickers, and couldn't find anything specifically talking about that. So, should I be concerned or not? | It shouldn't be a huge problem, though it may be an inconvenience. The pocket will be on your weapon arm side, and so it may be difficult to use if you have your glove on. Depending on how nice they are about exchanging it (will they make you pay shipping?), you'd probably be better off getting left handed knickers... or you could probably just take the pocket off and re-sew it onto the other side, but ultimately, there wouldn't be any problem using them in competition (I've seen plentry of people using the wrong handed knickers... a front zip jacket would be a problem, but knickers shouldn't be). | 
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08-16-2004, 11:27 AM
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| I suppose that there is a higher probability that the point of a weapon could get caught in the rear pocket if the pocket is on the weapon side.
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08-16-2004, 11:31 AM
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| But, I compete regularly in national comps, and hopefully at some point international ones...so this is my concern and that is why I'm asking.
Local comps will obviously let something like that slide...they probably wouldn't even notice. | |
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08-16-2004, 12:21 PM
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| As far as I understood it, presuming you have the front zipped variety, the flap over the zip needs to start from thefencing arm side. The zip is a potential weak point (especially if it's partly undone) and could be penetrated more easily by a weapon.
The US rules are at http://www.usfencing.org/Forms
but I can't find any mention either.
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08-16-2004, 05:03 PM
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| from what I know, there are no rules that expresedly state you've got to have the correct handed knickers. A LP distributor did the same to me, and I have a pair of right handed and a pair of left handed knickers consequently (I'm right handed).
I fenced a year in my left handed knickers and still search for the pocket on the wrong side in my right handed ones. I never had problems with something getting caught in my zipper flap etc. But it is a potential weakness, and I admit that.
The only thing I can think is that the wrong handed zipper might raise issues about something that could "Catch a blade"? Otherwise, I think the rules are pretty vague...
(and geez, that was a random post, sorry.) | |
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08-17-2004, 03:48 AM
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| Yes, the only real issue I see is the flap facing the wrong way. But inasmuch as that's covered by the cuissard of the jacket anyway, it shouldn't matter all that much. And has anyone ever had a referee check this point? I certainly haven't. | |
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08-17-2004, 04:21 AM
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| I, like Myra, was sold a pair of left-handed breeches by LP (they'd run out of right-handed and I needed them straightaway) and the lady in the shop said they'd be fine. It's just slightly more awkward when you are between bouts and want to put your plug thingy in your pocket as it's on the "wrong" side. About the zip flap - what Inq said.
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08-17-2004, 05:28 AM
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... covered by the cuissard of the jacket ...
| tho it's not uncommon for a blade to go under the cuissard. (I assume that's the triangle at the bottom?) Quote: |
... And has anyone ever had a referee check this point? ...
| Wouldn't that be classed as sexual assault? 
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08-17-2004, 02:34 PM
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I, like Myra, was sold a pair of left-handed breeches by LP (they'd run out of right-handed and I needed them straightaway) and the lady in the shop said they'd be fine.
| Well, I'm glad it wasn't just me. I was at a tournament and my old duct knickers (er... breeches) had gotten to the point that I was afraid I'd be displaying what I wore under if I kept fencing. I didn't have a choice but to buy. Though they're very nice. | |
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08-17-2004, 04:34 PM
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Originally Posted by MyraTrue Well, I'm glad it wasn't just me. I was at a tournament and my old duct knickers (er... breeches) had gotten to the point that I was afraid I'd be displaying what I wore under if I kept fencing. I didn't have a choice but to buy. Though they're very nice. |  how many pairs of knickers do you have now???  like, 10??? hehehe; i'm still on my one pair (shown left) | |
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08-18-2004, 04:19 AM
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Originally Posted by TheArmourer tho it's not uncommon for a blade to go under the cuissard. | We who fence sabre do not have this problem. Yet another reason to choose sabre.  Quote: |
Wouldn't that be classed as sexual assault? | No, the *** is on the opposite side. We're talking about the front of the knickers. 
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08-18-2004, 04:21 AM
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Originally Posted by MyraTrue my old duct knickers | I have heard that one can make almost anything from duct tape, but this is a new one on me!  | |
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08-18-2004, 05:36 AM
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| Duct tape is like The Force - it has a light side and a dark side and it holds the universe togeather. 
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08-18-2004, 08:52 AM
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Originally Posted by TheArmourer Duct tape is like The Force - it has a light side and a dark side and it holds the universe togeather. |
Muah ha ha ha ha!!!! DUCT TAPE!!! WITH THE PENGUINS!!! SHALL TAKE OVER THE WORLD!!!!!!! | |
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08-18-2004, 09:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Inquartata Yes, the only real issue I see is the flap facing the wrong way. But inasmuch as that's covered by the cuissard of the jacket anyway, it shouldn't matter all that much. And has anyone ever had a referee check this point? I certainly haven't. | I just checked all three pair that I have and they all have equal sized small flaps on the zipper that meet in the middle, hence there isn't an issue with the direction of the zipper flap on my sample. I'm guessing that is the standard so that it is really easy to manufacture righty and lefty pants.
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08-18-2004, 10:30 AM
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| The only ruling of knickers I've ever remmebr anyway is that the jacket should must go over at least 10 cm of the knickers. As for the blade catching on the pocket, it is possible though i don;t think it would be really common. Anyone everr get one caught in their pocket? | |
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08-18-2004, 01:50 PM
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how many pairs of knickers do you have now??? like, 10??? hehehe; i'm still on my one pair (shown left)
| Wow... I own two pairs. The old duct breeches were donated to a fencer in my old club in Wales. The left handed pair is *burries face in hands* still loaned out to one of our men's foil team who needed to borrow them. And the third pair I wear. I'm afraid... well... I don't think I'll ever decently fit my left handed pair of LP's. So I really own one, and keep a second pair on loan. Happy? | |
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08-19-2004, 01:39 AM
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Originally Posted by scarlet_woman156k I was sold a right-handed pair of knickers (I'm a lefty) at Allstar and they said it was OK for ANY competitions. Is it? I've looked through the athletic handbook and the operation manual trying to find specifics about knickers, and couldn't find anything specifically talking about that. So, should I be concerned or not? | how can y have right or left handed knckers for your legs? | |
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08-19-2004, 05:52 AM
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| Flagrant da Nut - The pocket on the back is usually on the side furthest away from your weapon and the zip flap usually covers the sip from the weapon side.
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