NAC Question for the 2004-5 Season

[mifencer]

I thought there was going to be 3 NAC's (Div I) and Nationals. On the USFA's website, I see only 2 NAC's and Nationals. Did one get dropped or am I mistaken (again ).

Thanks.

[GGK]

There is an April, 2005 Div 1/Youth/Wheelchair that is not yet listed yet. The exact date isn't known yet.

G

[BB Boom Boom]

There is supposed to be a Div I/Youth/Wheelchair NAC in April which has not been put on the schedule yet.

[mifencer]

Thanks. The last time I looked, it had TBA status. I looked today and it wasn't there.

[DHCJr]

Ever since July 16th when they posted the schedule, it hasn't been there, but in the US Fencing Headline, which you can get to the schedule you will find what is below and is still there.

The domestic schedule for 2004-2005 has been posted and is available by clicking here. NOTE: There will also be a Division I/Youth/Wheelchair NAC in April, 2005. This event will be listed on the schedule when the exact dates are confirmed.

[hpfencing]

Does anyone know the location of the Div III NAC that has been in Arlington the past few years? I don't think Arlington will host it and the JO's right?

[devoir]

Greenville, South Carolina will host Div 3 this time

[oiuyt]

The location mentioned in the budget planning documents was Reno, NV. Fresno, CA was listed as the tentative location for the April NAC.

Devoir- What's your source?

-B :)

[Inquartata]

I've a hard time believing they're going to concentrate so many NACs in the South. Of course this is the USFA, so anything is possible, but still...

[D+F+P=Hadouken!]

deep in the south is good for me, we dont get enough tournaments out here. Infact, the south is a durndang crappy place for tournaments, especially the biguns. JO's and Nats are too far away a drive for my parents, so I'm hoping they have them in the south in 06. It gives me time to train. But maybe I can go to southeast sectionals this year... that would be nice.

[prototoast]

deep in the south is good for me, we dont get enough tournaments out here. Infact, the south is a durndang crappy place for tournaments, especially the biguns.

Hey, consider yourself lucky. There's no NAC-level tournaments in the northeast (geographic area, not northeast division). We have more fencers up here than anywhere else in the country, and so long as I have been fencing (since 2000), the only things up in this area have been youth events and world cups.

[devoir]

The location mentioned in the budget planning documents was Reno, NV. Fresno, CA was listed as the tentative location for the April NAC.

Devoir- What's your source?

-B

I'm a 100 % sure it will be Greenville SC for Div III

[TooLoftheDeviL]

I'm a 100 % sure it will be Greenville SC for Div III

Doesn't really answer the question...

Where did you hear this?

[C.J.]

Why does the USFA feel the need to include the dates of SATs? Have they thought about fencers who oppose the standardized test? Is the USFA taking side on this matter? Do they think that parents or kids might be too busy fencing to actually remember they need to apply for college? And, are there no more important dates that can be listed? What about national holidays? What about the date for presidential election? I personally feel it is highly inappropriate.

[edew]

Our current USFA prez, Nancy Anderson, works for ETS.

[oiuyt]

Our current USFA prez, Nancy Anderson, works for ETS.

New officers don't go in until after the Olympics. We're in the new season but not yet the new quadrenial.

SAT dates are listed becuase people scheduling (including local divisions which frequently start with the national calendar and then fill in) should be aware of things that are potential conflicts for large numbers of fencers. Apparently SAT testing falls into that category. Doesn't mean those weekends aren't available, merely that someone scheduling a conflict should be aware of the fact. Given how few tournaments are scheduled for Tuesdays I hardly think election day requires top billing. :)

My local division includes some major area collegiate meets on their calendar (at least in planning stages). I don't get offended that they include meets that my team isn't at. Given that they neglect to include other, larger, meets that involve more of the fencers that participate in USFA competitions locally I think it's kind of poorly done, but I suppose it's useful in trying to avoid conflicts that would overextend the available referee pool even in New England.

Devoir- I didn't mean to sound like I thought you were wrong or merely guessing. I was providing the information that I had, and the source of said information, as that pertains to reliability. I was interested in where your information was from so I could consider that in my own planning. The tentative locations used in the budgetting process are just that -- tentative. This, in turn, is why they aren't announced yet on the official calendar. That said, I agree with Inq. Seems like a lot of events going to the same area -- 3 NACs in the span of 4 contiguous states and these are East Coast states, not monsters like CA. Going back to this past season that makes 5 out of 6 consecutive events in those 4 states.

DFP=H- Uhm, have you looked at the national calendar this year? Atlanta, Richmond, Arlington. Greenville according to Devoir. 4 out of 7 events. Not enough tournaments. Heh. Then again, Sacramento isn't significantly further from Mars than is Atlanta. :)

-B :)

[D+F+P=Hadouken!]

New officers don't go in until after the Olympics. We're in the new season but not yet the new quadrenial.

SAT dates are listed becuase people scheduling (including local divisions which frequently start with the national calendar and then fill in) should be aware of things that are potential conflicts for large numbers of fencers. Apparently SAT testing falls into that category. Doesn't mean those weekends aren't available, merely that someone scheduling a conflict should be aware of the fact. Given how few tournaments are scheduled for Tuesdays I hardly think election day requires top billing.

My local division includes some major area collegiate meets on their calendar (at least in planning stages). I don't get offended that they include meets that my team isn't at. Given that they neglect to include other, larger, meets that involve more of the fencers that participate in USFA competitions locally I think it's kind of poorly done, but I suppose it's useful in trying to avoid conflicts that would overextend the available referee pool even in New England.

Devoir- I didn't mean to sound like I thought you were wrong or merely guessing. I was providing the information that I had, and the source of said information, as that pertains to reliability. I was interested in where your information was from so I could consider that in my own planning. The tentative locations used in the budgetting process are just that -- tentative. This, in turn, is why they aren't announced yet on the official calendar. That said, I agree with Inq. Seems like a lot of events going to the same area -- 3 NACs in the span of 4 contiguous states and these are East Coast states, not monsters like CA. Going back to this past season that makes 5 out of 6 consecutive events in those 4 states.

DFP=H- Uhm, have you looked at the national calendar this year? Atlanta, Richmond, Arlington. Greenville according to Devoir. 4 out of 7 events. Not enough tournaments. Heh. Then again, Sacramento isn't significantly further from Mars than is Atlanta.

-B

Arlington ain't in the south bub. I'm going to sectionals and the Atlanta NAC... my parents are, how should I say it, conservative as to where they drive me to.

[oiuyt]

Arlington, in TEXAS, isn't in the South? Unhuh, tell me another. It's not in the Southeast, but it's certainly in the South.

Complaining this season about too few national events in the Southeast is particularly stupid. Going back to last April we have, in order, Atlanta, GA, Charlotte, NC, Atlanta, GA, Richmond, VA, Overland Park, KS (granted not in the South or Southeast, but not terribly far either), and (according to Devoir) Greenville, SC. Let's see, how many are in, say, the Northeast? Uhm, right. How about the Midwest? I suppose KS sort of counts there, barely. The West gets Sacramento and possibly another 1-2 depending on where the tentatives end up (of course most of the West means flying from anywhere else in the West anyway). Northwest? Uhm, right, none again. Southwest? MAYBE you can count Arlington, but that's a flight from anywhere out of state and likely many parts instate. Don't complain, you've got just about the best possible schedule for your location this year.

-B :)

[D+F+P=Hadouken!]

Yeah, guess I should count my blessings. That and the fact that I'll get elimanated at nationals as just like at a local gig.

[Dee EffEll]

Hey, consider yourself lucky. There's no NAC-level tournaments in the northeast (geographic area, not northeast division). We have more fencers up here than anywhere else in the country, and so long as I have been fencing (since 2000), the only things up in this area have been youth events and world cups.

Guys/Gals, you keep beating the wrong drum. The USFA has no mechanism in place to distribute national tournaments to venues based on geographic equity. They want cheap, cheap, cheap. If a venue, regardless of where it was, offered everything the USFA asked for in tournment suport, and was *significantly* cheaper than any other bid(s), I have no doubt that cheap venue could be awarded each and every NAC in the schedule. Face it: some places in the country are never going to have a national tournment for just this reason (batting miraculaous corporate or governmental investment.) Some cities are prohibitively exepensive. We had a NAC in Seattle some years ago only because we got significant corporate and local city support (apparently.) NYC, Chicago, Boston, forget it - the suitable venues are just too expensive. 100+ miles out of those places, maybe.

If you want a NAC or nationals in your region/area backyard, get a bid packet and make the USFA a deal. They listen to money, not the travel needs of the fencers. It is great when the two interests coincide.