Fencing.Net - Your Guide to Fencing & Fencing Equipment

npkeith · 07-21-2004, 11:43 PM

NBCOlympics.com has posted their coverage listings. True to their word, they will cover all 28 sports. They will not however cover every type or event (obviously). The only fencing coverage they are planning are the Men's and Women's Individual Saber medal bouts, and the Men's Team Saber Medal Bout. To me this is unsurprising as they are the only fencing events in which we (the US) have a realistic chance of medaling.

But NBC could have thrown us a fricken bone here, I mean please!

Show us a few bouts in the other two weapons, even if we don't have a chance. Right?

Anyway - bouts are on Day 1 (Aug 14th) somewhere between 2am and 4pm on CNBC (Men's individual), Day 4 (Aug 17th) sometime between 5pm and 8pm on Bravo (Women's individual) and Day 7 (Aug 19th) between 10am and 4pm on MSNBC (Men's team).

Of course, all times and listings are subject to change, consult your local listings, your mileage may vary. Somehow I doubt NBC will be adding extra fencing. If Sada, Keeth, Erin or Ivan get knocked out in the prelims, I have a feeling they may substitute something more viewer friendly like synchonized swimming or skeet shooting.

EpeeConvert · 07-22-2004, 11:14 AM

I find it odd that they would do men sabre team and not womens. From what i read earlier in a different thread, Womens sabre is the best chance to medal, so i thought they would do womens sabre team instead or as well as men's sabre. of course being a fencer (ex-sabrist at that) i just want more fencing, but maybe someone should toss an email at NBC and/or hostile takeover of the net work. we need more billionaire fencers

prototoast · 07-22-2004, 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by EpeeConvert

I find it odd that they would do men sabre team and not womens. From what i read earlier in a different thread, Womens sabre is the best chance to medal, so i thought they would do womens sabre team instead or as well as men's sabre. of course being a fencer (ex-sabrist at that) i just want more fencing, but maybe someone should toss an email at NBC and/or hostile takeover of the net work. we need more billionaire fencers

Women's sabre team is not an olympic event.

EpeeConvert · 07-22-2004, 12:12 PM

*takes foot, inserts mouth*
Must think before posting...

Inquartata · 07-22-2004, 06:31 PM

Given past history, I don't know that I'd go saying things like "true to their word" until I actually saw coverage of fencing. I suspect that unless the US gets into the medal round we'll see "exigencies" suddenly interfering with NBC's plans, however well-intentioned. "Bob, we're going to cut away to kayaking, where Joe Blow just set a new record score! We'll try to have the fencing later this evening on tape delay."

dreadfoily · 07-22-2004, 08:43 PM

Just reviewed the list again of which groups are invited to fence, and it appears that only womens epee will be fencing as a team, with womens foil and womens saber on the proverbial bench. But, it may be a good move this year, as the olympic event itself is stuck in the middle of much political strife. The lower profile kept this year strikes a cord of deference.

[I awaif your command]

P00Man · 07-23-2004, 12:57 AM

i dont give a damn if its delayed, as long as they show it!

TooLoftheDeviL · 07-23-2004, 01:32 AM

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Originally Posted by dreadfoily

Just reviewed the list again of which groups are invited to fence, and it appears that only womens epee will be fencing as a team, with womens foil and womens saber on the proverbial bench. But, it may be a good move this year, as the olympic event itself is stuck in the middle of much political strife. The lower profile kept this year strikes a cord of deference.

[I awaif your command]

Your post generally confuses me. Team WFoil and Team WSabre are not Olympic events... there's not really any bench, the events don't exist. Team WFoil was sacrificed for WSabre. This will be the first Olympics with WSabre.

Inquartata · 07-23-2004, 07:13 PM

They were "sacrificed" for this Olympiad, not all future ones. They are still Olympic events. ( Stupid IOC. )

DHCJr · 07-24-2004, 04:29 AM

Hopefully, but there are rumors and I must emphasize rumors, that the IOC told the FIE, they don't want changes of events every 4 years. If this is what you want you stick with it.

I have been wrong in the past and I hope I am wrong this time. Because if I am right it shows how two-faced the IOC is. They talk about wanting to promote women sports. They have told the International Sports Federations to have more women in the administration and Fencing is better at that then most.

I would rather have all the teams be complete, but if we have to have 2 teams gone, the ladies of Foil and Sabre should not be the ones left out.

If any one proves me wrong, I will than them.

sabreman · 07-24-2004, 01:42 PM

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but if we have to have 2 teams gone, the ladies of Foil and Sabre should not be the ones left out.
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Which ones should have been left out?

afc fencer · 07-24-2004, 01:56 PM

Personally I think they should drop the team events. There is no team boxing or Judo. Why should we have team fencing? If there was no team event we could have more fencers for individual events.

DHCJr · 07-24-2004, 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by sabreman

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but if we have to have 2 teams gone, the ladies of Foil and Sabre should not be the ones left out.
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Which ones should have been left out?

I think you missed the point. I did not say who should have (past), I said you should not (future). I have no opinion about the past. I feel it would be a slap in the face to eliminate the ladies, especially Foil, when the IOC has made it very clear, they say they are for Women's sports equality.

sabreman · 07-24-2004, 09:13 PM

Thank you for the clarification. It was very unfortunate that Womens Foil got the short end of the stick. Hopefully down the road they will find some way to add both Womens Foil and Sabre team events. That is if the OC decides to keep team events for fencing.

Inquartata · 07-26-2004, 06:37 AM

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Originally Posted by afc fencer

Personally I think they should drop the team events. There is no team boxing or Judo. Why should we have team fencing? If there was no team event we could have more fencers for individual events.

I agree, if any event must be dropped the team ones are the logical choice. Fencing is an individual sport, no matter how one tries to make it comply with the human mania for teams.

I am afraid that it will come to this eventually, too. The IOC seems quite determined to prune fencing, if not eliminate it altogether, to make room for more "modern" sports.

esskreemr · 07-26-2004, 09:42 AM

The IOC is hell-bent on keeping the number of sports and events at its current level. They have stated that they want to remove "artificial" team events. The FIE probably made a fair move by cutting a team event in favor of an individual event. Too bad it was a female event. I, personally, think that we could further the sport and ensure a continuuing Olympic presence by marqueeing female fencing.