07-06-2004, 04:40 PM
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#1 | | Senior Member
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| Non-S2000 Sabre blades?
Does anyone know where to get a non-s200 sabre blade? I just started fencing sabre again, and I need new blades. I keep bending the darn thing because of the amazing difference in blade rigidity where the forte ends and the foible begins in point attacks. Does anyone know of a blade that has uniform consistancy or is atleast a little bit stronger in the foible? (I looked on websites, but its hard to tell if its s2000 without pictures) | 
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07-06-2004, 04:48 PM
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Originally Posted by S. Hunter Does anyone know where to get a non-s200 sabre blade? I just started fencing sabre again, and I need new blades. I keep bending the darn thing because of the amazing difference in blade rigidity where the forte ends and the foible begins in point attacks. Does anyone know of a blade that has uniform consistancy or is atleast a little bit stronger in the foible? (I looked on websites, but its hard to tell if its s2000 without pictures) | Pre-S2000 blades were more flexible than the current ones, not less -- and anyways, they should be bending if you're attacking from so close that it's an issue.
That said, you might try looking for I-section rather than Y-section blades -- they have more of a rectangular shape, and the transition from forte to foible is more gradual. | |
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07-06-2004, 05:10 PM
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| If you want pre-2000 blades for cheap, buy from triplette. They have a lot (their old FL blades are quite inexpensive).
Honestly, I don't know why you'd want a pre-2000 blade. They're not worth the metal they're forged from. | 
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07-06-2004, 06:37 PM
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| Its not so much that the blade isn't rigid, its that the pronounced difference between the stiff and flexible parts is very extreme, and it only takes one accidental advance or lunge into your blade to bend it. I am really looking for a blade that just has uniform flexiblity. Thanks though, I'll look at I section and triplette blades. | |
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07-09-2004, 12:04 PM
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| You do know that pre-S2000 blades are not legal to compete with? I understood why they changed flexibility standards, having tried to parry the impossible to parry whip-overs  ouch...
I've rarely ever seen a kinked S-2000, but they tend to break at the tang more than the old pre S-2000's did. | |
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07-11-2004, 12:27 AM
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I've rarely ever seen a kinked S-2000, but they tend to break at the tang more than the old pre S-2000's did.
| Ever accidently have someone with a chest protector charge your point 
Anyway, I only need one for practice. I was interchanging my practice and electric weapons before, which beat them up too much. I'm getting a cheap practice sabre from triplette and a nice maraging one from the fencing post for electic, so that will work out well. | |
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07-11-2004, 01:20 AM
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| You might find this thread regarding maraging saber blades interesting...
For what it's worth, I wouldn't want to risk aclamating to a blade that I know is illegal in practice, and then have to wield a strange blade on tournament day.
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07-11-2004, 07:29 PM
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#8 | | Curmudgeon-in-Chief
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| I believe there are some youth events which do not require S2000 blades, so they are legal for some competitions... | |
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07-16-2004, 06:39 PM
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| The S2000 blades that are legal for events are also size 0 or 2. If you fence Y10 (and therefore need the shorter blade) you can ignore the S2000 requirement. Don't believe that any #5 non-S2000 blade is legal for any (USFA/FIE/etc) competition currently.
Mmmm, $128 sabre blade. Yeah, or you could go get 8 of the $15 variety, save yourself some money and not worry about the kinking. Not to mention that the maraging steel won't actually help you at all in sabre. Nor is it required.
-B :)
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07-16-2004, 06:49 PM
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Originally Posted by oiuyt Don't believe that any #5 non-S2000 blade is legal for any (USFA/FIE/etc) competition currently. | I believe any non-2000 blade is still legal if it meets the newer flexibility standards. A particularly stiff pre-2000 blade would still be legal, but it may need to be tested at the competition for it to be allowed. | |
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07-17-2004, 02:04 AM
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| And any particularly floppy blade marked S2000 is not legal. The marking isn't what makes it S2000, compliance with the new requirements is what makes the blade S2000. It's just convenient to check the markings (or lack thereof) and assume that the high correlation between markings and whether or not the flexibility meets the threshold means that testing flexibility is not essential (a fairly good assumption at most levels as the correlation is VERY high).
If a blade meets the new standards then it is S2000 regardless of what markings it may (or may not) have. Contrariwise, if it does not, it is not, regardless of what markings it may (or may not) have.
Generally I would feel safe assuming that if a vendor is selling sabre blades and notes that they aren't S2000 that they aren't legal for competition.
-B :)
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07-17-2004, 02:34 AM
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| this just reminded me, i beleive a few years ago, there were blades being sold as s2001. what is the story on these...are they legal, is it just a false marking? | |
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07-17-2004, 04:41 AM
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| I even had blades that said s2002...
Let's just call the blades s200X...
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07-17-2004, 05:40 AM
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#14 | | Curmudgeon-in-Chief
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| Saw S2003 blades at Nationals. Just a marketing thing, I suspect. The blades are all marked to show that they meet the 2000 sabre standard, adding the current year just makes them look more "current" to the uninitiated... | |
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