What's your fencing lineage?

[Craig]

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Hello Luke.

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Shlepzig - Sam Blanchard
|-Peter Harmer (College Coach at Univeristy of Oregon)
|- Len Carnighan (Studio of American Fencing, Portland)
| |-Charles Selberg
| | |- Eric Funke
| | |- Jack Nottingham
| | | |-Aldo Nadi
| | |- Hans Halberstadt
| | |- George Pillar
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| |- Jack Nottingham (see above)
| |-Eduardo Mangiarotti
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|- Charles "Chuck" Hurley (Princeton YMCA)


What would Tufte do?

Why he'd create a PowerPoint presentation of course!

OK, probably not

To find out what would Tufte do, you could try the "Ask ET" section of Tufte's website:

http://www.edwardtufte.com/bboard/q-and-a?topic_id=1

[xCsiszarx]

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Fixed Your Post.

[R. Exnicios]

Lets see

Eugene Hamori (my first coach and once again my coach)
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Laszló Szabó (also Lajos Csiszar and George Piller)
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Italo Santelli

other coaches I've worked with (some very briefly but I thought I'd throw this out there):
Alex Beguinet, Ákos Bodoky, Ted Cotton, Tibor Friedman, Jon Kalmar, Carlos Ochoa, Michael Marx, Ron Miller, Ed Richards, Antal Solti, Bertalan Szöcs, Ferenc Toth, Gábor Udvarhelyi, Csaba Zarándi


To show how things go full circle I have had the pleasure of training with András Szabó the son of Laszlo Szabó

cool idea for a thread

Cheers

[dekko]

This could be though of in two ways. One, a true full time coach; two, people who have helped you and given you advice/lessons/drills over the years.

Only one coach for me - Mauro Hamza

People who have given useful advice over the years(no particular order):

Greg Dilworth
Gerry Pouj Jr.
Scott Stevens
John Monahan
Steve Verm
Bill Ahse
Robby Coke
Steve Lewis
Mike Kovitt
Scott Clark
Vinny Bradford
John Battey
and many others...

[xCsiszarx]

While I will politely decline to participate in this post, I will offer that if you do not have one of the following, you can't claim the instructor as a coach. A coach is a more intimate and personal relationship whereas an instructor is, well, self explanitory.

To claim a coach you must have:

1) A home address where you send obligatory birthday cards and holiday fare.
2) You have been invited/visited by said coach at home for social reasons.
2) A first name relationship with a member of the coach's nuclear family.
3) An article of clothing or equiptment bestowed upon you by said coach.

Obviously, I am sure you could make a case for other criteria, but you get my point. I maintain that if you can't say this sort of thing, you're just name dropping.

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I've never heard of such requirements for someone to be considered a coach. That sounds more like a mentor, to me.

Instructor -- someone who teaches
Coach -- someone who teaches and guides
Mentor -- someone who teaches and guides with a close personal relationship

[R. Exnicios]

While I will politely decline to participate in this post, I will offer that if you do not have one of the following, you can't claim the instructor as a coach. A coach is a more intimate and personal relationship whereas an instructor is, well, self explanitory.

To claim a coach you must have:

1) A home address where you send obligatory birthday cards and holiday fare.
2) You have been invited/visited by said coach at home for social reasons.
2) A first name relationship with a member of the coach's nuclear family.
3) An article of clothing or equiptment bestowed upon you by said coach.

Obviously, I am sure you could make a case for other criteria, but you get my point. I maintain that if you can't say this sort of thing, you're just name dropping.

Using that criteria, my coach of almost 20 years is not my coach and my students who I hace taught twice a week for 8 or 9 years cannot cliam me as their coach. Ouch!

I think the idea of the thread is to see who influenced our fencing, not to try and impress each other. A fencer can have great coaches and still suck and there are fencers with a rather nobody coach that do very well.

[MyraTrue]

I have to agree this sounds more like a mentor. My mentor, also listed as a coach, fits that nicely.

though it doesn't have to be an item of clothing so much as an item, I think. I have... well... a rubber chicken, which has been passed down to me. I figure before I leave the club, someone else will be lucky enough to end up with the rubber chicken too.

[xCsiszarx]

Points taken. In fact I like your distinction of the mentor. However, if you are going to claim a lineage, doesn't that very word imply something more tha "student" and "teacher"? I think so. What I would hope to eliminate is people dropping names. just because I took four or five lessons from you, can I claim to be part of a lineage? I am not married to any criteria, but a structure seems to be due for those people who spent years with an instructor versus a few months or less.

[peircer]

hmm... of those who coached me...

John Funk (first "coach" for epee)

Munro Taylor

Paul Geraci

Norman Pendergraft and Bob Behal

I sadly don't really know who they learned from. I also wonder if many of them had a lot of coaching, or if they had enough experience to coach well. Munro had been coaching for close on to 50 years, I believe, when I met him. He'd been a coach for the navy, had competed and taught with a lot of people befor he came to the University of Wales. Had some great stories about the original "Leon Paul" and his last lesson. He always said he thought it was a great way to die, and then he managed to do the same thing. I miss him, he certainly taught me a lot.

You know Bob?!? He was my first coach at Iowa State. Last I heard he was stuck in Idaho somewhere.

[MyraTrue]

You know Bob?!? He was my first coach at Iowa State. Last I heard he was stuck in Idaho somewhere.

Sure do, he's a great guy. He's at University of Idaho, which is where I met him. I forgot he'd been at Iowa State (because I started fencing in Indiana, we could trade stories about universities and fencers).

[peircer]

Sure do, he's a great guy. He's at University of Idaho, which is where I met him. I forgot he'd been at Iowa State (because I started fencing in Indiana, we could trade stories about universities and fencers).

See if he's got any epees in his bag, and if he doesn't, ask him what happened to his last two...

[MyraTrue]

Hmm... well, I'm not at U of I anymore, I'm back at grad school at Purdue, but...

he did have ONE (I think only one) that I used to borrow to use as a spare. Guard all chewed up, big old nasty black sawn off belgian grip, but it worked. When all else failed, it worked.

He used to run me around the floor in epee like no one else, and he had this incredible reach, which helped. That, and he'd wear shorts... and I was always afraid I'd nail him in the leg.

[peircer]

He had a pair, they resemble pancakes now...

[grotto]

I had Maestro Schmitter while at MSU - he said Maestro Santelli taught him "as a professional courtesy"!

yes I heard that as well. I had the good fortune to have taken some lessons from "Coach" Schmitter in the early 90's. Coach credited Maestro Santelli with showing him "a teachable style of fencing"