FIE announced rules changes

[oiuyt]

http://www.fie.ch/download/letters/2...ticles-ANG.pdf

Nothing particularly important to most fencers here. Fencingforum also has an announcement that the 750g springs and Mangiorotti point rules scheduled to be put into effect on a testing basis in Junior World Cups next season have been abandoned by the FIE but I haven't seen a document stating such yet.

-B :)

[misha]

Originally Posted by oiuyt

Nothing particularly important to most fencers here.

I wonder how USFA will deal with Yellow card after first call rule?

Especially when your pool "in the other room"

or when competition has two flights of pools

[neevel]

I got the word on the abandonment of the Magiorotti point straight from Dan DeChaine. Its initial approval apparantly was snuk in as a last-minute amendment which went under the nose and unnoticed of most of the voters (akin to the way members of Congress will sneak pork-barrel riders onto a bill, so that the rest of the House doesn't realize they just approved a missile-defense laser and Sen. Joseph McCarthy Memorial for Rhinelander, WI until after the vote).

-Dave

[fence1848]

I find it interesting how the new card rules are applied to only to the first bout of the event (except for the black card). I guess this means that the yellow and red card are for when the fencer has to initially present themselves to the referee. I assume this means that for all subsequent bouts in the event, the only card issued is a black card after the 3rd call.

Also, the modification of t.105 will change how the fencing software packages work. Instead of having a FENCER EXCLUDED in the middle of the results list, everyone will have to be bumped up. Fortunately, this change will only need to be applied after all results for that round have been calculated.

[Inquartata]

Man. I see some potential for abuse there.

"I called your name three times, sir. You are excluded."

"I was right there and I didn't hear you."

"So, I called it while I was still in the Official's lounge. But I called it and the rule says nothing about 'at the strip'. Nor does it say I cannot whisper. Good day, sir."

And ( favorite country/fencer here ) wins the Gold by default!

[Mergs]

What's even better, is that the rule states "at the time published for the beginning of the pool or direct elimination". And that has happened when in the last two millenium?

[fence1848]

Perhaps the rule will not be applied as much because the times are rarely published?

[Inquartata]

As a general principle, I think we should expect that the FIE will not go to the time and expense of promulgating rules it does not intend to use...

[esskreemr]

Yeah, do we get extra points when we show up half an hour BEFORE reg closes and then wait around an hour for reg to close, and then wait another hour for them to tell us that we have to wait two more hours because they have to split the pools into rounds...

[noodle]

Originally Posted by Inquartata

As a general principle, I think we should expect that the FIE will not go to the time and expense of promulgating rules it does not intend to use...

Magiorotti point?

[ShadowHuntr]

what exactly is the deal with that tip? how is it different?

[noodle]

from what i gather, its a mini epee tip.
but don't count on me for this info, i'm not an amourer.

[fence1848]

From what I have heard, however, it is not the weight or travel distance of the tip that were controversial, but the length of depression time that were causing problems. Foil has always been a fast event, and the new depression time was causing many quick straight attacks to fail. I can definitely see this happening as it really changes the nature of the sport - especially at the high level.

[millsisland]

Do we know if they're going to lengthen the debounce time, or not?

[oiuyt]

The Mangiorotti point has a double spring system designed to try to require a more "head-on" hit in order to light. One big problem was that neither the prototypes nor specs were available to the various manufacturers, which, in turn, would have made it VERY difficult to mandate their use by this fall (well, mandate it and have a realistic expectation that they would actually be available for use, a governing body can mandate pretty much anything they want, doesn't mean it'll happen).

Haven't heard of any other of the new "test" changes being rolled back, but then again, I haven't seen the documentation getting rid of the Mangiorotti and the 750g spring. I suspect that the other announced changes will be used at at least some of the JWCs next season. Whether or not they continue and get added to the senior levels depends on the results there.

-B :)

[neevel]

The timing changes will go ahead for testing. It was just the new point that has been tabled, for the reasons Brad noted.

-Dave

[ShadowHuntr]

oh yay, 2 springs. considering i just love epee springs already. so, im guessing that we might have more touches annuled because of bent contact springs possibly?

[DHCJr]

There is no contact spring. Remember it is totally different for Foil as it breaks the contact. The second spring is an internal part of the tip. What it is for is to hold the plate to keep in contact till the tip has traveled 2mm.

[Aeric]

True, but testing the springs might be more annoying, seeing as how you need two of them to be in good condition now, instead of getting only one to work. They could both be busted. Or just one. Or the other. You wouldn't really know which.

Gah.

[Inquartata]

Originally Posted by noodle

Magiorotti point?

Liiiitle bit different, don't you think?

The new card rules are not being tested, they are not having a beta run during a few events sometime in the next season, they are for "immediate application"....