Referee Test

[dunastor]

Originally Posted by MyraTrue

there is no penalty resulting in a bout being advanced to the last minute etc.

Yes there is...

Passivity in poule bouts or in team bouts... after a warning you go to the last minute.

[Repechage]

Take the test, fail it, and take it again later on once you have a good idea of all its peculiarities. Worked for me.

[andrewmcleod]

Originally Posted by MyraTrue

ie, foil grips do NOT have to be insulated any longer,

Do you have any idea when this rule change came in? In Britain most of the fencing is on old boxes that aren't anti-blocking anyway...

[andrewmcleod]

Originally Posted by downunder

all the questions are on the USFA website - check up on them there... i've passed that same test in the uk so pm me if you have any probs

Sorry; do you have a link? I can't seem to find it...

[downunder]

Originally Posted by MyraTrue

there have been some (recent, I believe?) changes to some rules I thought current- ie, foil grips do NOT have to be insulated any longer...

they still do, if you read the rules to the letter, just it has no effect on the newer or FIE boxes...

[andrewmcleod]

Well that's different then, since the majority of boxes in the UK aren't anti-blocking...

[hpfencing]

If there is someone in your area that has taken the test recently you might sit down with them and go over things you are not sure about.

A good resource I use is redlands fencing Cneter (Jerry Benson there). They always help me with referee questions and problems. The have a website linked off the Oklahoma Division site.

[reawl]

Originally Posted by MyraTrue

The things that got me and some other people are things like while the penalty chart says "hitting while falling" is a cardable offence, it isn't used and its an extreme situation that isn't addressed by anything on the study guide. And there have been some (recent, I believe?) changes to some rules I thought current- ie, foil grips do NOT have to be insulated any longer, and there is no penalty resulting in a bout being advanced to the last minute etc.

You'll also want to check out the "New Rules" which for some reason have yet to be updated in the "Latest version" of the Rulebook, 2002 Rev C. Some of the rules that have changed and pertain to the test are: falling, time limits, and stepping off the strip.

I just took the test this weekend with Jim Vesper in Michigan and Myra is also correct on the foil insulation question. The test assumes a perfect world where everything is to spec, and the spec says that the box should ignore touches to the uninsulated foil grip. What makes this even more interesting is that you then no longer have a market for insulated grips...

Remember that you can call halt for only one thing. Any action that STARTS AFTER the Halt! cannot be considered. And as a very broad rule of thumb, the rules try to avoid annuling touches scored by a fencer who clearly had right of way (in foil/sabre) or the fencer who is not at fault (ie. doesn't step off the strip, or doesn't cover target area, etc.).

[downunder]

Originally Posted by reawl

I just took the test this weekend with Jim Vesper in Michigan and Myra is also correct on the foil insulation question. The test assumes a perfect world where everything is to spec, and the spec says that the box should ignore touches to the uninsulated foil grip. What makes this even more interesting is that you then no longer have a market for insulated grips...

huh?

just because the newer boxes don't pick it up, and it is often not enforced, doesn't mean you can ignore it...

m.13
Rules specific to Foil
The body of the button and the foil blade for a length of 15 cm from the button, as well as the pommel or the rear extremity of the handle, must be entirely covered with insulating material

[andrewmcleod]

Indeed.

And even if insulated grips were not required, then there would still be a market for them as they can offer superior grip - some of the LP ones are crinkle-coated for this reason.

[MyraTrue]

Passivity in poule bouts or in team bouts... after a warning you go to the last minute.

Hmmm... See, I remember that rule as well. I remember it being "new" (though I think that might have been when I was in England and Wales). However, last several times I read the rule book, it wasn't there. But I did miss two questions because it was an option to advance to the last minute, and it was the type of infraction that I remembered being told the clock could be advanced for.

So when the grading went through, it was explained to me that the advancing of the bout was an old rule and had been removed. As was the insulation of foil grips. Which I also remember being a HUGE deal.

I don't know. I still think the insulation of foil grips should be required because of the variety of boxes. But thats me, not the test.

[BOliver]

Rule m.13 requires insulation of the extremities of the grip.

Also, the Study Guide can be found at:

http://www.fencingofficials.org/Info...dy%20Guide.pdf