Olympics, Egypt no go?

[germanguy]

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[Craig]

I've heard similar rumors and I think it surrounds funding. The Egypt world cup was cancelled due to the inability of the federation to put up the event, if I remember correctly.

I'm waiting on the FIE to publish the full list of accepted bids for the Athens Games. The due date to receive confirmation from the NOCs (National Olympic Committees) was 6/1 and then if any committees decline their bids, then it goes to either the next ranked team/individual or the next ranked t/i in the zone (depending on what bid was declined). We won't have the full official word from the FIE on final entrants to the Games until July.

[hpfencing]

I hope there sabre team attends... Fencing is a growing, changing sport.

If Egypt is pulling just fencing or just saber for money reasons that is silly... Why not pull something else. That is not fiar to their own athletes

[whtouche]

Originally Posted by hpfencing

I hope there sabre team attends... Fencing is a growing, changing sport. Sometimes we dont agree with all the issues and rules but we have to learn to adjust. Pulling out is just bad sportsmanship, there are other ways to let your opinion be heard

Um...what does not having the funds to attend have to do with issues an opinions?
Unless it's their opinion that someone should give them the money so they can send a team, your post made little sense.

[hpfencing]

Sorry i was a ittle off.

What I ment is why should they pull out sabre? How is that fiar to the athletes....

Does anyone know if it is even true?

[sabreman]

There are a some very deserving teams that didn't make it -> Romania, Germany, Poland and Spain. Although adding any one of them would make it even more difficult for the USA.

[Ripost]

http://www.abendblatt.de/daten/2004/06/02/302127.html

[Epeecurean]

Originally Posted by Ripost

http://www.abendblatt.de/daten/2004/06/02/302127.html

Here's the amusing google translation:

"Fence: Despite missed qualification the German sword gentlemen can participate in the olympic plays in Athens (13 until 29 August), since Africa representative Egypt does without his starting point."

So no in men's sabre at least. >>just looking for an excuse to use the Egypt smilies<<

I wonder if the same thing is going to happen in any other weapons.

[noodle]

Originally Posted by Ripost

http://www.abendblatt.de/daten/2004/06/02/302127.html

Originally Posted by Google Translator + minor editing on my part

Fence: Despite missed qualification the German sword gentlemen at the olympic plays in Athens (13. to 29 August) can participate, since Africa representative Egypt does without his starting point.

i think you get the gist of things

[The0ne]

so Germnay qualified? Is that what that fun google translation means?

[Ripost]

Yes. Germany qualified but has to wait for a final ok from its own olympic committe, here is a longer piece from dpa on that.


Doch Olympia-Tickets für deutsche Säbelherren
Mittwoch, 02.06.2004, 09:10

Lausanne (dpa) - Die deutschen Säbelfechter können trotz verpasster sportlicher Qualifikation doch noch an den Olympischen Spielen in Athen teilnehmen. Ägypten verzichtet als Afrika-Vertreter auf seinen Startplatz und ermöglicht damit dem Olympia-Dritten von 2000 nachzurücken. Das bestätigte der Fechtweltverband FIE dem Deutschen Fechter-Bund (DFeB) schriftlich. Durch die zusätzliche Teilnahme in den Säbel-Wettbewerben (Team und drei Einzelfechter) ist der DFeB in Athen damit bei allen zehn olympischen Entscheidungen vertreten.

«Wenn es so gewesen wäre wie die letzten Jahre, wären wir ohnehin dabei gewesen. Die Mannschaft gehört einfach zu Olympia. Die vergangenen Jahre haben das bewiesen», sagte DFeB-Sportdirektor Claus Janka der dpa. Durch einen veränderten Qualifikations-Modus verlor Europa olympische Startplätze an so genannte Fecht-Entwicklungsländer. «Gerade im Säbel entsprach die Qualifikation nicht dem Leistungsstand in der Welt», meinte Janka. Ägypten hatte sich in drei Team-Wettbewerben qualifiziert, verzichtete jetzt aber auf den Säbel-Startplatz. Da in keinem anderen afrikanischen Land in dieser Waffe ernsthafter Wettkampfsport betrieben wird, war laut FIE- Reglement Deutschland auf Grund der Weltranglistenposition (Nr.6) der erste Nachrücker.

Die notwendige Zustimmung durch das Nationale Olympische Komitee (NOK) steht allerdings noch aus. Dessen Präsidium werde darüber befinden, sagte NOK-Sprecher Stefan Volknant. Die Chancen für Grünes Licht stehen allerdings günstig. In der Vergangenheit entschied das NOK bei strittigen Fragen meist zu Gunsten der Sportler. Am 28. Juni wird das NOK einen entsprechenden DFeB- Vorschlag beraten und die olympischen Fechter nominieren. Mit den Säbelherren wären 18 Fechter in Athen dabei.

Der Olympia-Dritte von 2000 könnte im olympischen Viertelfinale möglicherweise auf den WM-Dritten Ukraine treffen und damit Revanche nehmen für das verlorene Bronze-Gefecht bei den Weltmeisterschaften 2003 in Havanna. Für die Einzel-Konkurrenz dürfte der deutsche Ranglisten-Erste Dennis Bauer (Koblenz) gesetzt sein. Beste Chancen im Team von Bundestrainer Jochen Rieg haben zudem die Eislinger Harald Stehr, Christian Kraus und Michael Herm.

[The0ne]

coolio. . .

[noodle]

i tried to hand edit the translation, but its such a time consuming chop job that i figured posting it now and editing it later would be best.

Olympic tickets for German fencers
Mittwoch, 02,06,2004, 09:10

Lausanne (dpa) - the German saebelfechter can participate despite missed sporty qualification nevertheless still in the olympic plays in Athens. Egypt does Olympia third possible of 2000 as an Africa representative without its starting point and makes thereby to advance. The confirmed the fencing world union FIE German Fechter-Bund (DFeB) written. By the additional participation in the sword competitions (team and three Einzelfechter) the DFeB is represented in Athens thereby with all ten olympic decisions. "if it would have been like that like the last years, we thereby would have anyway been. The crew belongs simply to Olympia. The past years proved ", said DFeB Sportdirektor Claus Janka of the dpa. By a changed qualification mode Europe lost olympic starting points on fencing developing countries so mentioned. "straight line in the sword corresponded the qualification not to the performance level in the world", meant Janka. Egypt had qualified itself in three team competitions, did now however without the sword starting point. Since in no other African country in this weapon serious match haven is operated, regulation Germany was due to the world rank list position (Nr.6) the first Nachruecker according to Fie. The necessary agreement by the national olympic committee (NOK) is however still pending. Its presidency will find over it, said NOK speaker Stefan Volknant. The chances for green light stand however favorably. In the past the NOK decided with contentious questions usually to favour of the sportsmen. On 28 June the NOK will advise an appropriate DFeB suggestion and will nominate the olympic fechter. With the sword gentlemen would participate 18 fechter in Athens. Olympia third of 2000 could possibly meet in the olympic quarter final on the WM third Ukraine and take with it revenge for lost bronze combat with the world championships 2003 in Havanna. For the single competition the German rank list first Dennis might be set farmer (Koblenz). Best chances in the team of coach of the national team Jochen Rieg have besides the Eislinger Harald Stehr, Christian Kraus and Michael Herm.

[noodle]

<a href="http://www.fencing101.com/content/view/251/2/" target="_blank">kinda missed this one </a>

[whtouche]

Does anyone know who the german sabre fencers would be?
Kothny now fences for Thailand - and I believe he qualified through the asia zone. It should be interesting at least.

I wish spain had qualified. Medina is fun to watch fence.

edit: And now this means the US fences Russia in the first round. ARGH

[germanguy]

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[cedzorro]

As it turns out the Algerian sabre team will qualify for the Olympics instead of the German team. After the withdrawel of the Egyptian team, the spot goes to the 2nd highest seeded African team which happens to be Algeria (ranking: 26th). Initially the FIE messed up and qualified Germany, because their World Ranking was wrong and Algeria was not listed (In that case the highest seeded team in the World Rankings would have gotten the remaining spot, i.e. Germany, 6th).
For those who understand German, more information is posted here.

[Dalton]

So, who wins and who loses?

Losers:

1. Egyptian male sabreurs - kicked to the groin by their own NOC
2. German sabre team - "you go - d'oh - no you don't" says the FIE
3. FIE for losing credibility - can't even maintain world rankings. How sad is that?

Winners:

1. Algerian men's sabre team - for the obvious reason
2. Russian men's sabre team - they get a practical bye through the first round in the teams
3. America men's sabre team - for not meeting the impossibly strong Russian team on the first round (which would have happened if Germany would have entered)

[noodle]

thats a really horrible mistake to make...feel sorry for the german ms team.

feel better for the us ms team now that they don't have to fence russia though

[Craig]

Originally Posted by cedzorro

As it turns out the Algerian sabre team will qualify for the Olympics instead of the German team. After the withdrawel of the Egyptian team, the spot goes to the 2nd highest seeded African team which happens to be Algeria (ranking: 26th). Initially the FIE messed up and qualified Germany, because their World Ranking was wrong and Algeria was not listed (In that case the highest seeded team in the World Rankings would have gotten the remaining spot, i.e. Germany, 6th).
For those who understand German, more information is posted here.

I'll have to write that up and post the article: Can anyone photoshop an "Oops!" graphic - prefereably with the FIE logo in it somewhere?

Craig