Regional Youth Circuit

Mo · 08-18-2002 10:37 PM

The schedule for the Youth Circuit is posted on the USFA Website but it does not elaborate on the age groups included or any other basic information.
Is there a web page with this info on it?

**ZEROFLASH** · 08-18-2002 10:46 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Join the Army:Travel to exotic lands, see new things, meet interesting people and kill them.
<hr /></blockquote>you fuc#ing redneck! you should be doing demolition derby instead of fencing.

**Ben[PrFC]** · 08-18-2002 11:19 PM

I think it's a funny quote. You need some coffee dude.

**veeco** · 08-18-2002 11:46 PM

Besides, I find it more appropriate that whatever insults you could come up with.

**JEC** · 08-19-2002 12:41 AM

Mo,
The typical events are Y10, Y12, and Y14 mixed for each weapon. Medals are given to each of the first 3 boys and first 3 girls. Sometimes, a given category is omitted (most often Y10 Sabre) due having only few competitors. Each region would be having about 3 competitions throughout the year, with the idea of training for a NAC Youth. In the Southwest, last season we had five competitions, and this year we only are going to have 3. This has been a lot of work by Wendell Kubik and his committee, which I believe includes EDEW.
<a href="http://home.satx.rr.com/foilcoach/RYC/RYCGuide.htm" target="_blank">RYC Guidelines</a>

Mo · 08-19-2002 12:56 AM

In the Southwest, last season we had five competitions, and this year we only are going to have 3. This has been a lot of work by Wendell Kubik and his committee, which I believe includes EDEW.

Thanks for the excellent information JEC. That was just what I needed to know!!
Ben and Veeco thanks for defending my quote and honor.
Some folks should not be allowed near a keyboard.

**sallearmourer** · 08-19-2002 06:40 AM

We need to get one Ryc here in the PNW Sect. Anywhere else is a two to three days drive for me.

Mo keep your quote. I been there done that.

Tim

**epeemike81** · 08-19-2002 08:17 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Ben[PrFC]:
I think it's a funny quote. You need some coffee dude.<hr /></blockquote>Not coffee. Decaf!

he DEFINITELY needs to switch to some nice, mellow, decaf. maybe some decaf with prozac instead of sugar.... that might fix the problem...

-m

**edew** · 08-19-2002 08:48 AM

The RYCs are for youth fencers, which means the Youth-10, Youth-12, and Youth-14. Not all events may be represented at whichever RYC you attend. Specific schedules of check-in close times and dates will be posted when they are available.

Medals will be awarded to however many fencers the local organizers wish to award. Top-3, top-4, top-8, all fencers, who knows. There's no stipulation that only the top-3 receive awards. Some RYCs might offer more awards, in addition to prizes, to gain interest and competitors. Others have to look at their bottom-line.

Probably most RYCs will not hold all possible categories, and certainly not all in sex-separated events. Many will hold mixed Youth-10 epee and mixed Youth-10 sabre, if they hold such events at all. Each region has a pretty good feel for the number of competitors they have in each category, and thus will tailor their events to suit the population. There is very little expectation (and rightfully so) that people from outside the region would want to compete in a category that's not listed, and thus will complain to the RYC organizer that there isn't an event available.

**JEC** · 08-19-2002 09:06 AM

EDEW,
All three events were mixed in the 5 RYC's in Texas last season. The NY section did have one tournament with separate Y10, Y12 and Y14 foil, and Y12 and Y14 sabre competitions but other events were mixed. The results of your event at Stanford are no longer posted.

However, the RYC guidelines indicate:
<blockquote>quote:<hr /> All events will be mixed, but separate regional point totals will be kept for girls and boys and each fencer is given their full point earnings from the mixed events. <hr /></blockquote>

[ 08-19-2002, 12:45 PM: Message edited by: JEC ]

**JEC** · 08-19-2002 09:44 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr /> Organizers are encouraged to host an additional, unofficial "Moppettos" event as well. This would be a foil event for ages 10 and under that would consist of one round of pools only, with no win/loss record kept. All Moppetto competitors would receive a medal/award. <hr /></blockquote>From the <a href="http://home.satx.rr.com/foilcoach/RYC/RYCGuide.htm" target="_blank">RYC guidelines</a>

**JEC** · 08-19-2002 09:48 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr /> Organizers must award separate prizes for the boys’ and girls’ results. Each event organizer must give awards to the top three boys’ and girls’ in each event. There will not be a fence off for the bronze medal. <hr /></blockquote>Thus, four medals for top boys and four medals for top girls. If a moppetto competition is held, there are pools but no DE and everybody gets a medal.

**edew** · 08-19-2002 10:58 AM

Those are all guidelines. There's nothing that prevents a region from instituting something different. And why not? It's not as though these are qualifiers to any future national or international events (gawd, I hope not!).

If those guidelines are requirements, I will have to talk to Wendell about that. There is no reason why the RYC should do anything more, in terms of fostering the RYC, besides help publicizing and centralizing the notification location.

It's much more difficult to generate separate points lists for boys and girls from a mixed event. Does the top-finishing girl get 1000 points (supposing the 1000 points is for first place), or 420 points for finishing 18th overall? How about ratings? Now that all age categories are rateable events, do the girls get a rating of their own or not? If not, given that most girls aren't likely to finish at the top (unless you have some folks like Doris Willette and such), they'll never earn their classification.

Again, it all depends on the region. Some regions have a surfeit of female fencers in some weapon category. Why not let them fence among themselves, especially since that's what they'll be seeing in most sectional and national (and international) events?

**JEC** · 08-19-2002 11:21 AM

It is not as difficult as you implied. In our section, if you had 21 fencers the top place got 21 points and the bottom was 1. In some competitions the 1st place earned 13 points, but in others 21. It doesn't matter the gender, except when tabulating points in two separate lists and when giving medals.

Youth 10 Men's Foil

RYC #1 RYC #2 RYC #3 RYC #4
Place Name Club Place Pts Place Pts Place Pts Place Pts Total
1 Castellani, Caetano FIT 3T 16 1 13 3T 17 3T 19 65
2 Aurzada, Andrew La Touche 9 10 3T 11 2 18 3T 19 58
3T Cavazos, Enrique Salle Pouj 6 13 2 12 7 13 6 16 54
3T Kelley, Edward Salle Pouj 1 18 - - 1 19 5 17 54
5 Kubik, Nick PACFC 3T 16 - - 3T 17 2 20 53
6 Guerra, Gannon La Touche 8 11 5 9 6 14 7 15 49
7 Aldrich, Michael Salle Mauro 5 14 - - - - 1 21 35
8 Tadlock, James Austin Fencers Club 16 3 10 4 11 9 11 11 27
9 Brousard, Anthony La Touche - - - - 5 15 15 7 22
10T Valenzuela, Stephen FIT 7 12 8 6 - - - - 18
10T Soza, Diego PACFC 11 8 - - - - 12 10 18
12 Becker, Joseph - - - - - - 9 13 13
13 McCarthy, Gabriel TFA 17 2 - - - - 13 9 11
14T Burdine, Sterling Salle Mauro - - - - 12 8 - - 8
14T Thompson, James Salle Mauro - - - - 14 6 20 2 8
16 Rutner, Colin - - - - - - 16 6 6
17 Shepherd, Adam Salle Pouj 14 5 - - - - - - 5
18T Williams, Gilbert Salle Mauro - - - - 16 4 - - 4
18T Newburger, Joshua - - - - - - 18 4 4
20T McIntosh, Willie - - - - - - 19 3 3
20T McKee, Sam Salle Mauro - - - - 17 3 - - 3
20T Bloechle, Teddy FIT - - 11 3 - - - - 3
23 McNamara, Christian Salle Mauro - - - - 19 1 - - 1

**edew** · 08-19-2002 02:05 PM

Different regions have different points systems. I actually like the system that you guys use (although I'd modify it a bit), but we use the USFA (senior) national point system because people said they wanted that. So, people have spoken, I follow.

Also, I don't have the Bay Area RYC results anymore because, well, I felt it's not needed. Actually, there is still the website, but it's not located at the links provided.

Try:
<a href="http://www.olagrande.net/users/edew/ryc" target="_blank">http://www.olagrande.net/users/edew/ryc</a>

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