Div II and III

[D+F+P=Hadouken!]

Okay, now I'm confused. How do you qualify for div II and III. Two people are telling me two different things, and its really confusing.

[noodle]

people are confused on the qualification path.
you can, in fact, qualify for both like you could last year.

if you qualified for div2 and you're a D or less, you also qualified for div3.

[Artisan]

You already fenced your qualifier - you told us you were disappointed that even though you beat them, the other two people qualified since you had so few in your division.

For clarification see the fencers handbook on the USFA site.

[Peach]

Also, if you didn't qualify for Division II

Be rated "D" or below and place in the top 25% (with a minimum of 3) among the total number of "D", "E", or "U" fencers competing in the 2004 Division II Qualifying competition

Examples:

1 eligible entry = 1 qualifier
2 eligible entries = 2 qualifiers
3-12 eligible entries = 3 qualifiers
13-16 eligible entries = 4 qualifiers
17-20 eligible entries = 5 qualifiers
etc.

In order to qualify for Division II, you have to:

Be rated C or below and place in the top 25% (with a minimum of 3) of the 2004 Division II Qualifying competition
Examples:

1 entry = 1 qualifier
2 entries = 2 qualifiers
3-12 entries = 3 qualifiers
13-16 entries = 4 qualifiers
17-20 entries = 5 qualifiers
etc.


Qualifiers for the 2004 Division I-A National Championships in that weapon

Qualifiers for the 2004 Under-19 National Championships in that weapon

Qualifiers for the 2004 Under-16 National Championships in that weapon

Placed in the top 4 at the 2003 Division III National Championships

[oiuyt]

One thing to note is that people that have already previously qualified to division III don't chew up qualifying slots in the D2/3 qualifer. This includes those people who earned div 2 slots in the same tournament. For example, let's say that there's a 20 person tournament for a division's D2/3 quals. 25% (5) people qualify for division 2. Those 5 have now also gained D3 qualification. 25% (5) people qualify for D3. These 5 people are selected disregarding the 5 who earned D3 qualification via the D2 qualifiaction path, so places 6-10 are D3 qualifiers.

It gets more confusing when you add in the fact that cadet and junior qualifiers are D2 (and therefore D3) qualified.

It gets more confusing when you start taking into account the C's that are entered and cannot take a D3 slot and don't count toward the total which 25% is taken of for the number of D3 slots.

-B :)

[neevel]

And we won't even go into the special cases if the qualifying tournament is held on a Tuesday...

[MyrddinsPrecint]

or if the moon is full.... of sabres....

[D+F+P=Hadouken!]

okay, because I took second in U-16 mens epee, and 1st in y-14 mens epee. Does that qualify me for div III, because my division did not have a div III or div II qualifying tournament.... or are the divisionals themselves the qualifying tournaments?

[whtouche]

Does that qualify me for div III, because my division did not have a div III or div II qualifying tournament.... or are the divisionals themselves the qualifying tournaments?

What "divisionals" are you talking about?

Your division HAS to have a div 2/3 qualifying tournament. Im pretty sure that qualifiers are the only tournaments that divisions are required to hold.

[oiuyt]

No, there are special rules for martians (among other things they don't count as being in the USFA, and if they didn't they would likely be considered part of "national" division which doesn't hold qualifiers).

DFP- If you want more complete/accurate answers we need more specific information. If you can give me your name and a reference to a website with results from your division I'll look through it and let you know. Feel free to do that in a PM if you want to keep your identity/location concealed from the wider fencing.net world.

-B :)

[Victor]

It also makes a difference if the event takes place on a Thursday, and if your last name begins with the letters B, C, D, L, M or N.

[Namir]

okay, because I took second in U-16 mens epee, and 1st in y-14 mens epee. Does that qualify me for div III...

I wish to know this as well if you qualify for y16 then doy you qualify for div3?

[GreenDot]

Div II Qualifying Paths: http://www.usfencing.org/Documents/R...asp?Tourn=Ind2

Div III Qualifying Paths:
http://www.usfencing.org/Documents/R...asp?Tourn=Ind3

So...if you qualified for U16, you are qualified for both II and III.