retreat on the parry

[veeco]

Originally posted by Stryder:
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This is something that can only be decided on strip. Let me know if your in town, I'll hit you with a disengage, then we'll know.
No offense meant.

[ 08-02-2001: Message edited by: Stryder ]</STRONG>

No offense taken. However, you'll probably be the one who'll wind up hit with a disengage, and you'll be wondering what happened to you. Or some mean counter time attack

[d8m2k]

My observation...

Every coach I have ever worked with always taught retreat, parry-riposte.
If you miss on the parry take a second retreat.

This is the way it's intially taught.
From European masters, Olympic Medallists, to American masters (who studied in Europe), this is what I have seen them teach and been taught.

I can give you a reason why, but I doubt it will change anyone's mind.

The reality, of course varies on the situation and the fencers involved.

[arcon]

[ 10-23-2001: Message edited by: arcon ]

[Stryder]

d8m2k-

Watch a little more closely and you might see that the retreat is never over until after the blade has been parried. I think there may be a little confusion about what we are discussing. We are talking about stopping your backward movement before/after your parry. Not when or how to begin the riposte.

We were discussing this statement by Veeco:
"Basically it goes 1-2-3:
1- Back leg goes back
2- Front leg goes back
3- At the moment your front foot hits the floor, you should parry."

This implies that you are standing still before-during-and after your attempt to parry.

[ 08-04-2001: Message edited by: Stryder ]

[saberkid]

i agree with d8m2k;

you take a retreat parry repost, once your front foot has hit the ground (or almost there) then you take the parry, if you start your parry before this, then your openit see's whats happening, and go's somewhere else. iv been told this by 2 olympic coach's 1 olympic medallist and have herd from countless other coachs that you "retreat parry repost" if you say it outloud while you preform the action, it is about the right timeing for it all too(if that made sense?)


Chris

[Stryder]

So if I understand correctly, an Olympic coach told you that you shouldn't begin any blade/hand movement until after you are standing completely still?

I guess I have been doing it all wrong.

[sabreur]

The fact of the matter is that you can parry at the beginning or the end of the retreat--it actually depends on what is actually happening on the strip. If you are up against a "runner," it can be fairly useful to parry at the beginning of the retreat, as he/she charges at you, and hit with the riposte at the end of the retreat, which has helped you stay far enough away...

That, however, is fairly unorthodox.

A couple of drills my master has me do in lessons:

A. Parry as the back foot moves, riposte as the front foot lands.

B. Stop cut as back foot goes back; parry as center of gravity moves back and back foot sets, riposte as front foot lands. (Try keeping this going for five or six retreats--the coordination of hand, feet and distance is tough).

C. Stop cut as back foot goes back, jump back, double retreat, so opponent cuts short.

Regards, Mark Ray

[Peach]

Mark - Every time you mention a drill or make a suggestion, it is always useful. Maybe that's because I'm a sabre fencer. I just thought I'd mention it.

[sabreur]

Thank you, Peach/D****--someone else on the board has given away your secret identity!

Regards, MR

[sabreur]

Thank you, Peach/D****--someone else on the board has given away your secret identity!

Regards, MR

[sabreur]

Thank you, Peach/D****--someone else on the board has given away your secret identity!

Regards, MR

[Peach]

Originally posted by sabreur:
<STRONG>Thank you, Peach/D****--someone else on the board has given away your secret identity!</STRONG>

&lt;grin&gt; When I registered here, it asked for a logon name and it looked as if everybody used "handles," so I chose something at random; I never got around to signing my name for no particular reason & it was a couple of months before someone asked who I was. It felt quite odd--I've never been anonymous since I first went on line (mid-late 80s?), figuring complete lack of discretion was the better part of valor for me.

I'm going to use that set of drills tonight.

[ 08-06-2001: Message edited by: Peach ]

[d8m2k]

Originally posted by Stryder:
<STRONG>d8m2k-

Watch a little more closely and you might see that the retreat is never over until after the blade has been parried. I think there may be a little confusion about what we are discussing. We are talking about stopping your backward movement before/after your parry. Not when or how to begin the riposte.

We were discussing this statement by Veeco:
"Basically it goes 1-2-3:
1- Back leg goes back
2- Front leg goes back
3- At the moment your front foot hits the floor, you should parry."

This implies that you are standing still before-during-and after your attempt to parry.

[ 08-04-2001: Message edited by: Stryder ]</STRONG>

Stryder,

Every coach I have ever observed or worked with, (including olympic medallists, masters, and olympic coaches) teaches it that way.

Front foot hits the ground, take the parry.

Of course, that is only one type of parry-riposte. The more advanced a student gets, the more the coach teaches to vary the timing of the parry.

And the more experienced fencers develop their own theories on timing.