Senior PCCs. Results?

[germanguy]

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[counterattack]

Men's Epee:
1st - Gago Demirchian (Beat Mehall about 15-8)
2nd - Mike Mehall
3rd - Gershom Gagnon-O'Gara (Lost to Gago 15-10 or so, good bout)
3rd - Philip Hedges (Lost to Mehall 15-7 or 15-8)

5th-8th (not in order)
Chuck Alexander
Bill Gelnaw
Scott McNamara (I think?)
I can't remember the last one.

As it pertains to you, germanguy, Loeffler made the top 16 and just barely nudged you into 4th for the season point total. Sorry to hear about your accident, and I am sorry you weren't able to fence PCCs.

[germanguy]

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I didn't watch but I think I remember:

1st - Emerson Dinapoli
2nd - Jamie Douraghy?
3rd - Tommy Chen
3rd - Sam Perkins (maybe? I am not sure)
5th - Eric Dew

[germanguy]

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[veeco]

Glad to see that Gago is still fencing. Looks like I'm going to have to come back and fence soon, as he is still winning. There needs to be someone out there to beat him everyonce in a while! ;-)

[counterattack]

Originally Posted by germanguy

Thanks!

Well than congratulations (I guess you are overall 2nd, right?)!

Would have been nice to get one of those little swords withg only fencing 3 of the 6 events

Too bad I missed Vegas twice this year.

Yeah. This year they gave these cool statues instead of swords. I wish I had a picture of it. It is an Oscar-type statue, about a foot tall, of a fencer standing with his weapon point at his toes. Apparently Frank Denier got it from some sculptors who work for George Lucas' studios or something.

[Purple Fencer]

Originally Posted by germanguy

Hi there!

Does anyone know about the results for the senior Pacific Coast Championships? I had a traffic accident a week ago (got rear ended by someone who mixed up breaks and gas), and could not fence yet.

But I am really interested how many teams were there and who won individualy.

I'd apprechiate any posts!

Hope you're okay, dude.

Did they change the rules recently? Last time I went to PCCs, foreign nationals like yourself couldn't compete in the sectional champs or the qualifiers. That's how Salle Gascon got a ladies epee team disqualified after the qualifiers...they had Szilvia Naray on the team, and she'd fenced for Switzerland (I think) at a world cup earlier int he season...

Hmmm....now that I think of it, if you didn;t fence for Germany, that's probably why you would;ve been able to go...never mind!

[counterattack]

Originally Posted by veeco

Glad to see that Gago is still fencing. Looks like I'm going to have to come back and fence soon, as he is still winning. There needs to be someone out there to beat him everyonce in a while! ;-)

Gago is still fencing, and looking quite unbeatable. The only person who put up any fight was his own student, Gagnon-O'Gara, but even that one was never in doubt.

As for the team event, I left in the middle of it since Cardinal didn't field a team, but the only teams left were LAIFC #1 and #2, Golden Gate, and No Fear, I think. And GGFC was fencing No Fear (it was 13-13 when I left), so I am guessing that means that LAIFC had to fence itself. Anyone know how it turned out?

[germanguy]

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[fencerX]

Golden Gate Fencing Club won both the Men and Women's Team epee events.

GGFC had two womens teams entered. The winning GGFC women's team pretty much steamrolled over second place Beverly Hills Fencing Club team.

The Men's team final matchup was closer but still GGFC pretty much controlled things and led the entire way. The second place men's team was one of the LAIFC teams. LAIFC subbed in Gago for the final 3 minutes of the match and GGFC used Eric Hansen.

One of the most exciting 3 minutes of any of the team matches was an earlier matchup between the GGFC men and Salle Saufen. GGFC had opened up a huge lead and it looked like it was going to be a total blowout. Then Otra Olver and Dylan Bethel faced off and Otra ran up something like 11 touches to Bethel's 2. Someone must have fed Otra raw meat or something. Bethel lamely complained and asked for floor judges (there were no floor hits before or after) but that didn't break Otra's rythm at all -- he kept up his manic performance after edew and company were called in to act as floor judges. Despite Otra's awesome performance, GGFC ended up winning the match.

There also was an early women's team matchup that ended 44-45 that while it wasn't great fencing, it was exciting and fun to watch.

[edew]

GGFC beat LAIFC for the gold in the team epee. Gyorgy did a number on all the LAIFC fencers. His attack-remise had them all flustered and stymied. Gago should have been subbed in earlier, and Mark Segal should have been assigned as anchor so that Gago would be subbed in for Mark. As it were, I think Mark did the best against Gyorgy.

Still, it was a good match and GGFC clearly used their fencers well.

Otra did a number on Dylan, that was for sure. But it was not enough as GGFC defeated Thistleswaite and Gelnaw. I think they should have put Otra last. He had much more mobility and possibly a better chance against folks like Hansen and others.

In MF, LAIFC defeated CalTech despite Cedric getting 10+ points on Jeffrey Chang to close a 40-26 gap to 42-40 before eventually losing 45-40. The big break was Jamie Douraghy beating up on Cedric 5-2 in their encounter.

WE was won by GGFC #1 (Griffin, Cabot, Ihara).

MS was won by Spartak #2 (Guy, Josh Runyan, Bret Martin(?)). It was poorly seeded as they had to meet Sacramento in the semifinals instead of the finals. As it were Spartak #2 defeated Spartak #1 (or the other way around, I don't recall how they numbered themselves). Lucchetti won the women's saber and Halberstadt recaptured the women's foil.

[veeco]

I wish I had been there to see Otra's wild comeback. I agree with Edew that he should have been put as the anchor. He is a terrific team fencer. Amazingly enough his individual results are not up to par with his team performances, but he has a lot of heart, and he is really fast. Besides, he is a lefty, so he's all good!

[achilleus]

Originally Posted by veeco

I wish I had been there to see Otra's wild comeback. I agree with Edew that he should have been put as the anchor. He is a terrific team fencer. Amazingly enough his individual results are not up to par with his team performances, but he has a lot of heart, and he is really fast. Besides, he is a lefty, so he's all good!

Considering that Gelnaw had beaten Hansen the day before, and the Saufen was expecting Hansen to close, it was a good call. Hansen didn't close, but subbed in for Bethel and fenced Thistlewaite.

Bethel's call for floor judges was also the smart thing to do. Otra was riding the edge of the strip and going for foot touches often.

And, just so you know, 3 of the 4 Saufen team were lefties.

Also, there was a very good reason Gago didn't sub in until very late. He had no intention of fencing due to an injury.

[edew]

Kip Cox has been having a great year. There's no reason not to have him as anchor.

[achilleus]

Originally Posted by edew

Kip Cox has been having a great year. There's no reason not to have him as anchor.

You're right. However, Hansen is higher ranked with more world cup experience. Saufen expected him to close. Gelnaw had beaten Hansen the day before, so Saufen wanted to close with Gelnaw vs. Hansen. They didn't get what they wanted.

[oiuyt]

In Atlanta they anchored Hansen with Ordody as B-strip and Cox as C (at least for the bronze medal bout which was the only one I saw). Reasonable to expect that they would be relatively consistent across multiple competitions.

-B :)

[achilleus]

Originally Posted by oiuyt

In Atlanta they anchored Hansen with Ordody as B-strip and Cox as C (at least for the bronze medal bout which was the only one I saw). Reasonable to expect that they would be relatively consistent across multiple competitions.

-B

They actually used at least two different line ups. One with Hansen closing, and one with Cox closing. They also had a fourth Bethel, who fenced every match, and then they alternated subbing in Hansen or Cox for him depending on the team.

Cox closed specifically against Saufen, and I believe Hansen closed on the others.


It would have been interesting to see a rematch between Gelnaw and Hansen, but it never happened, as Hansen subbed in for Bethel against Thistlewaite in the final rotation.

[veeco]

Well, knowing Paul Soter, and having seen and fenced quite a few team bouts, I have to say that I would never assume the order of any team from Golden Gate. He is very crafty when deciding his lineups and tries and make the most of each of the fencers on his team, according to who they are going to be facing.

He is well aware (as anyone should be) that the order of the bouts is quite often a deciding factor in the outcome of a close team bout. Thus he might have predicted that Gelnaw would be finishing against them, and chose not to subject Hansen to fence him again, putting Kip as the anchor instead.

But then again, he might also have thought that Hansen wasn't needed for that bout and that they could do without him in the beginning, leaving him with the option to sub him in for the fencer who was performing the less well in that match.

The other thing about the Salle Saufen guys is that they are a tough bunch of guys and that they can really play with anyone's mind on the strip. It's always a tough bout fencing one of them.

[NoFleche]

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