Fencing pants not knickers

[gojujay]

Anybody know where I might acquire a pair of fencing pants that go all the way down to the ankle/foot instead of knickers?

[rtran]

Anybody know where I might acquire a pair of fencing pants that go all the way down to the ankle/foot instead of knickers?

I've seen people wearing the pants you're describing but I dunno where you would buy them. I'm not entirely sure they're fully legal according to the rule book.

From Page 68 of the Rule book on the USFA website

5. Knickers. The knickers must be fastened below the knees.
With knickers, the fencer must wear socks which cover the legs right up to the knickers. These socks must be held up in such a way
that they cannot fall down.

Even if they are legal I'm still of the opinion that such pants would more likely hinder your mobility (I could be wrong on this).

[Purple Fencer]

"5. Knickers. The knickers must be fastened below the knees.
With knickers, the fencer must wear socks which cover the legs right up to the knickers. These socks must be held up in such a way
that they cannot fall down. "

Well...if you were to modify the pant cuffs with elastic or a velcro strap you could technically be within the riles...they don't say how FAR below the knees they have to be fastened...and the ankles ARE below the knee! A regular pair of crew socks would suffice them.

What you might try to do is get ahold of a white pair of marching band pants...specifically the ones called "Bibbers." Go to http://www.dshowcase.com/bibbers.htm for a picture.

[equine]

You might try riding breeches. They are snug thru the fanny and thigh and tight from the knee to the ankle. Once nice thing is that stores that sell riding tack are a lot easier to find than fencing stores. I always wear breeches, they strech well, feel great and you can wash them forever. You might not like the leather knee liners; if not cut them out. Good luck.

[ShadowHuntr]

dude those "bibbers" look so much more stupid than normal knickers do. "bibbers: the hillbilly knickers"

[Purple Fencer]

dude those "bibbers" look so much more stupid than normal knickers do. "bibbers: the hillbilly knickers"

Well, keep in mind that they're designed for use with a short-waisted top..not the long-coats I wore in HS band...and they WILL pass for use at USFA tourneys...they're robust enough to last several years of marching and no prob with the 10cm rule.

And if they're under the jacket, how you gonna know what they look like??

[Swordmaster]

Depending on your height and gurdth you may be able to pass off some Post cotton practice kickers as pants. I have seen some wide and short guys with them on and they came to their ankles.
Other than that, you could always get a pair tailored, if you really think it is that important. I could even have you a pair custom made...but remember what they say about the Caddilac, if you have to ask how much - you can't afford it.

[noodle]

long fencing pants are legal (reference link)
i stumbled upon that while i was looking to an answer to another question
that link also answers the question about club/advertising patches that was brought up elsewhere but i can't seem to find the thread for it...

anyway, long knickers have fallen out of common use. i've seen some with the triplette name on them i think, but i know for a fact they were old and i don't know if triplette makes them like that anymore. good luck finding them. you may have better luck finding a used pair.

[gojujay]

Thanks much everyone. I just thought it might be a little different. I don't think they would really hinder your movement, but that could depend on the tailoring

[neevel]

I know of one fencer from the Twin Cities who had Uhlmann do a custom pair of 800-N full length pants from the material used for their 'Olympia' uniforms (complete with FIE homolgation label). It'd cost a nice chunk, but if you really don't like knickers it's an option.

[gojujay]

Thanx neevel. While a custom uniform appeals to me, my wife and wallet wouldst protest. A dream tho'...

[CarlKnoch]

remember that if you're wearing pants that aren't fencing specific, they must fasten below the knees (that's the easy part) and they must overlap the jacket by 10cm (4 inches). If it doesn't you'll get a card and the ref wil give you very little time to get correct equipment.

[Purple Fencer]

remember that if you're wearing pants that aren't fencing specific, they must fasten below the knees (that's the easy part) and they must overlap the jacket by 10cm (4 inches). If it doesn't you'll get a card and the ref wil give you very little time to get correct equipment.

That's why I recommended the bibbers!

[CarlKnoch]

I just read chapter 3 Standards for the Manufacturing of Clothing secion 1 (page 100 of the Rules Book Rev C). The cloth used in the pants should be tested for penetration resistance. Something else that I find odd in that chapter is the following line in 3.2:

"Protection included in the trousers must cover the abdomen, the two inguinal regions, and the genital organs (by mean's of a protective cup)."

So I have to ask myself.... is a cup optional or is it specified in the rules book as requirement?

Also in m.25 it says that the cloth must resist a pressure of 800 Newtons. The plastron according to t.43 must also be 800 Newtons.

I know for a fact that I use a 350 Newton Uhlmann Jacket. Is there a revision somewhere that allows the 350 Newton Jackets for domestic competitions?
Rules also says that the bib of the mask must be 1600 Newtons. What of that?
C

[Purple Fencer]

I just read chapter 3 Standards for the Manufacturing of Clothing secion 1 (page 100 of the Rules Book Rev C). The cloth used in the pants should be tested for penetration resistance. Something else that I find odd in that chapter is the following line in 3.2:

"Protection included in the trousers must cover the abdomen, the two inguinal regions, and the genital organs (by mean's of a protective cup)."

So I have to ask myself.... is a cup optional or is it specified in the rules book as requirement?

Also in m.25 it says that the cloth must resist a pressure of 800 Newtons. The plastron according to t.43 must also be 800 Newtons.

I know for a fact that I use a 350 Newton Uhlmann Jacket. Is there a revision somewhere that allows the 350 Newton Jackets for domestic competitions?
Rules also says that the bib of the mask must be 1600 Newtons. What of that?
C

Keep in mind that the rules are written for FIE comps...not local events. That's why you can go to US nationals in entry level gear as long as it meets certain requirements (the 10cm rule, sewn in mask bib, etc)

I think FIE gear is required at local evens in Europe, however...

[DHCJr]

Check T.44 of the USFA rule book which designates FIE uniforms are not required and what is required.

[CarlKnoch]

Check T.44 of the USFA rule book which designates FIE uniforms are not required and what is required.

That's the rule I was missing. Although it's more of a sidebar than anything from the look of it.

Thanks. I knew that we don't require it, but couldn't find it in the rules where it said that it wasn't required.

You would think that they would put that disclaimer by the section that says they must be 800 Newtons! Seems like it would make more sense.

But what about the cup?

C

[gojujay]

Thanx mucho. I've got a copy of the USFA rulebook. Probably not going to any international events (more like never, ever) so I fortunately don't need to worry about 800 newtons of resistance

[Purple Fencer]

Thanx mucho. I've got a copy of the USFA rulebook. Probably not going to any international events (more like never, ever) so I fortunately don't need to worry about 800 newtons of resistance

Well, keep in mind that the more you compete the higher the odds you may NEED that protection. If you fence at NACs you may be going against people who ARE intl. competitors.