05-06-2004, 03:41 PM
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| NAC setup?
in the other thread. about "...Sectional champs.." they were talking about the NAC tournament setup. how is it differrent from the normal way(pool seating DE's)?
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05-06-2004, 04:00 PM
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Originally Posted by frenzl in the other thread. about "...Sectional champs.." they were talking about the NAC tournament setup. how is it differrent from the normal way(pool seeding DE's)? | Current NAC format, more or less:
First round of pools
60% promoted
Second round of pools seeded by first round results
60% promoted
DEs to final
Only difference is third/fourth place bout must be fenced at sectionals.
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05-06-2004, 04:17 PM
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| Do the section champs have to fence this format now? If so, then our group of twenty fencers will be down to a VERY small amount of people in the third round  d:
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05-06-2004, 04:46 PM
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| No, you can do different, just make sure the format is announced.
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05-06-2004, 05:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Sabresque Do the section champs have to fence this format now? If so, then our group of twenty fencers will be down to a VERY small amount of people in the third round d: |  I liked it - from 27 we ended up with a DE of 12 and I had a bye into the 8, so I didn't have to care how my DE went.
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05-06-2004, 05:20 PM
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| Don't NACs use repechage from the top 32 to top 8 as well in the DEs?
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05-06-2004, 05:23 PM
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Originally Posted by veeco Don't NACs use repechage from the top 32 to top 8 as well in the DEs? | Yes, and that wasn't done for the Mid-Atlantic Sectionals. Quote: |
Originally Posted by DHCJr No, you can do different, just make sure the format is announced. | We didn't have a problem with this, but the foilists the day before did. A few fencers from my club fenced poorly because it wasn't announced well (they had rumors, but not much else).
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05-06-2004, 05:38 PM
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Originally Posted by veeco Don't NACs use repechage from the top 32 to top 8 as well in the DEs? | wait, what does repechage mean?
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05-06-2004, 05:52 PM
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| Veeco can probably explain this better than I can, but essentially, after you lose your first bout in the round of 32, you can still fence until another person knocks you out. The set up is a involved, but two losers compete to get into the next round.
Based on how you do, you are placed between 32-25, 24-17, 16-13, and 12-9. If you get into the round of 32, but lose your first and second bout, you would be placed somewhere between 32-25. If you win your second, but lose your third, you would place between 24-17.
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05-06-2004, 07:51 PM
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| I couldn't have said it better!
It is both a way to refine seeding during the direct elimination table and a way to provide fencers a second chance to fence once they have lost one bout. It is also a way to provide fencers with more chances to fence high level 15 touch bouts, as these are done typically in the final stages of a competition (just before top 8).
Repechage is one over one round, typically from 16 to 8, or over 2 rounds, from 32 to 8. In the first case, you will have 4 fencers who make it winning 2 bouts out of 2. These fencers will take spots 1-4 in the table of 8, and the 4 who won 2 bouts out of 3 will take spots 5-8. In the 2 rounds case, 4 fencers will have won 3 bouts out of 3, and 4 fencers will have won 3 bouts out of 4.
The best way to understand is probably to look at a tableau:
From 32: http://www.usfencing.org/Forms/score/DE32r.pdf
From 16: http://www.usfencing.org/Forms/score/DE16r.pdf
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05-06-2004, 08:47 PM
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| ok, that is basically what i thought it to be. basically its just like double elimination.
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05-07-2004, 04:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Peach Current NAC format, more or less:
First round of pools
60% promoted
Second round of pools seeded by first round results
60% promoted
DEs to final
| Just to be clear, this is just for Div I, not all NACs. | |
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