Jumping off from the Friday Night Thread this is the offical thread for those women who find that most men seem to run screaming in the opposite direction when they express an opinion!
Theses are evil....VERY evil, someone rescue me pls!
My wife said that one of the reasons she married me was that I was one of the few men she had met who wasn't intimidated by her. I've often found the 'running away screaming' thing in men very odd, who would want a servant at your feet when you could have a partner by your side? Odder still is that I've run into quite a number of women fencers who were very timid on and off piste. We've vowed that our daughters won't be that way. And they seem to be off to a good, if loud, start.
Can I join too? I was single for 6 years up until recently (between the ages of 20 and 26 which is simply not the time) when it seemed like many of my female friends were fighting off the chaps with a dirty stick.
I like to think it was because I have a strong independent personality and my extrovert nature would put many men off - when it comes to girlfriend thoughts certainly, even if they wanted tobe platonic friends. At least one friend of mine said "you come across like you don't need a man".
Of course there's always the possibility that I'm a repellent annoying ugly troll thing, but I hope not! See my profile pic if you wish to judge the physical aspect for yourself!
I have persuaded a young man to hang around with me a bit recently, and he is known in these parts as my boyfriend, but I think I only managed this because:
a) he's laid back, secure in himself and wouldn't be bothered by a strong woman. He respects them.
b) he's a bit bloody weird himself...
c) he's an ex-fencer!
ETA: That's odd, where did sabreur's post go?
Louweasel
"I grew up in Europe, where the history comes from" [Eddie Izzard]
"she might not look like much, kid, but she's got it where it counts"
"Of course there's always the possibility that I'm a repellent annoying ugly troll thing, but I hope not! See my profile pic if you wish to judge the physical aspect for yourself! "
Louweasel,
Judging by the half of your face present in that pic you are a beautiful woman. Then again, who knows what lay beneath the cut off line, fanged teeth, a goatee, clam chowder? The fact is, no one really knows, and that's what scares me the most, dear. That's what scares me the most.
"I have dreamed of a black car/That shimmers and drives/Down the length of the evening/To the carnival side/In a house where regret is a carousel ride/We are spinning and spinning and now/There's a hole in the ceiling/Down through which I fell/And there is a girl in a basement/Coming out of her shell/And there are people who will say that they/Knew me so well/I may not go to heaven/I hope you go to hell/"-Adam Duritz-
Jumping off from the Friday Night Thread this is the offical thread for those women who find that most men seem to run screaming in the opposite direction when they express an opinion!
Usually, whenever I see men express an actual honest opinion, women get upset because they are not accustomed to hearing the truth, so it's easier to ignore them instead of listening to them complain about everything. Myself, I don't have an issue telling a woman that, yes, that dress does make you look fat. Now, does that mean I don't have a date? Yes, it certainly does, regardly of how kindly I tell a woman how fat/overweight/husky/big boned/plump she is. Since most men don't want to end up like me, they become a bunch of sorry sops who won't express their opinions openly.
The other thing that gets on men's nerves is having to listen to a very pretty woman, who hates being told that anything about her or her opinions could be imperfect because they've grown used to society giving them an easy path. Beautiful, spoiled women (and that includes you, Zelda) are very annoying, and extremely difficult to handle. Most men will cave under pressure from a pretty women. Again, those that don't give a pretty woman everything she wants end up with no place to go on Friday night. When presented with a win/lose situation, what do you think a man (or anyone for that matter) will do?
As for this "strong" woman mentality- great. Strong women are a good idea. That doesn't mean you go around marking your territory with opinions, nor do you pretend to never be wrong about anything, especially if it turns out that a man is right. Egotistical males like to be right all the time, and they're annoying too. A strong person can accept when they're wrong.
Let's compromise- if women will get a backbone, so should the men.
To not recognize the power of the propane torch is to be in denial.
Catal... I'm not sure where that came from or where it was meant to go.
Zelda, count me in! I've spent my entire life scaring away men. Because I've got a brain? An opinion? Because I want to be entitled to my own say in my own life? I don't know, but men tend to be few and far between. I most sincerely refuse to change... I see nothing wrong with being treated as an equal.
Then again, I, too, could look like a troll. I'm told thats not the case, but who knows? I might have a personality like a troll. But I'm all up for a woman who doesn't need a man in her life to define her, so that when she does find one, they can bring equally to anything they may do.
Usually, whenever I see men express an actual honest opinion, women get upset because they are not accustomed to hearing the truth, so it's easier to ignore them instead of listening to them complain about everything. Myself, I don't have an issue telling a woman that, yes, that dress does make you look fat. Now, does that mean I don't have a date? Yes, it certainly does, regardly of how kindly I tell a woman how fat/overweight/husky/big boned/plump she is. Since most men don't want to end up like me, they become a bunch of sorry sops who won't express their opinions openly.
The other thing that gets on men's nerves is having to listen to a very pretty woman, who hates being told that anything about her or her opinions could be imperfect because they've grown used to society giving them an easy path. Beautiful, spoiled women (and that includes you, Zelda) are very annoying, and extremely difficult to handle. Most men will cave under pressure from a pretty women. Again, those that don't give a pretty woman everything she wants end up with no place to go on Friday night. When presented with a win/lose situation, what do you think a man (or anyone for that matter) will do?
As for this "strong" woman mentality- great. Strong women are a good idea. That doesn't mean you go around marking your territory with opinions, nor do you pretend to never be wrong about anything, especially if it turns out that a man is right. Egotistical males like to be right all the time, and they're annoying too. A strong person can accept when they're wrong.
Let's compromise- if women will get a backbone, so should the men.
Wow, what a unexpected perspective and opinion. But then again, you did say you don't have a date. And I got to give it to you, you're being honest in giving it. But I sure don't see how your issues with fat women, pretty women or women without backbones has much to do with the strong women topic here?
I am thinking tho, that women in general - strong or pretty or pansies - don't really want the blunt observation that they are fat, chunky, huskie, or plump/dumb, stupid, airheaded, opinionless - unless you are their doctor giving them health advice/or a soon to-be ex breaking up with them. I'm thinking the same holds true for men.
I can't tell if you are afraid of women or just don't like them very much. But I don't think you'll be in the Men's Auxilliary.
Wow, what a unexpected perspective and opinion. But then again, you did say you don't have a date. And I got to give it to you, you're being honest in giving it. But I sure don't see how your issues with fat women, pretty women or women without backbones has much to do with the strong women topic here?
I am thinking tho, that women in general - strong or pretty or pansies - don't really want the blunt observation that they are fat, chunky, huskie, or plump/dumb, stupid, airheaded, opinionless - unless you are their doctor giving them health advice/or a soon to-be ex breaking up with them. I'm thinking the same holds true for men.
I can't tell if you are afraid of women or just don't like them very much. But I don't think you'll be in the Men's Auxilliary.
Whenever I hear a woman complain about anything to do with men, I usually listen because often women are right. But, threads like this really get to me. I don't think I've ever seen anyone here create an anti-woman anything thread. If I'm uninformed about the total concept of this thread, I'll do more research before I open my mouth (keyboard?) again. Let me know.
To not recognize the power of the propane torch is to be in denial.
Whenever I hear a woman complain about anything to do with men, I usually listen because often women are right. But, threads like this really get to me. I don't think I've ever seen anyone here create an anti-woman anything thread. If I'm uninformed about the total concept of this thread, I'll do more research before I open my mouth (keyboard?) again. Let me know.
Maybe I'm the one wrong about the concept for the thread, but I thought it was for men who LIKED, strong women - members of the Men's Auxilliary would pretty much have to be of that persuasion, else no real purpose in being part of the club. There are other clubs for Men who like other types of women.
Whenever I hear a woman complain about anything to do with men, I usually listen because often women are right. But, threads like this really get to me. I don't think I've ever seen anyone here create an anti-woman anything thread. If I'm uninformed about the total concept of this thread, I'll do more research before I open my mouth (keyboard?) again. Let me know.
Hey Catal,
I agree with you in a lot of points. I'm fairly blunt with my wife about her appearance. She appreciates this as she'd rather be told she's getting just a touch heavy than have me keep it bottled up inside.
My wife is pretty stuborn, and sometimes that is hard for me to stomach. I usually have to concede that she's being more reasonable than I am, but there are other times when she's being downright irrational.
I once dated a girl that would fall into Catal's category of a very pretty woman who loved nothing better than to argue about stuff. She had a brain, and she was extremely argumentative and we disagreed on a lot of things during the course of our relationship. It was dating this girl that finally brought me to my senses.
I "picked" my wife years before we started dating because I knew that she adhered to this archaic belief that a woman's place is in the house raising kids and having supper ready for when the hubbie comes home tired from work. That hasn't changed, but she sure is stubborn.
... without remorse for the past, confident in the present, and full of hope for the future, [d'artagnan] went to bed and slept the sleep of the brave.
- The Three Musketeers
Just the other day I saw some E! channel retrospective on the show "Married With Children" I had forgotten, or maybe never noticed, that Al was the founder and President of a men's club too.
Remember that? Called, No Ma'am.
Originally Posted by Louweasel 
