Kick boxing

[Fencing Passion]

Have any of you ever watched kick boxing or tryed it? Im in a style of martial arts that incorparates it and a whole bunch of styles to be as affective as possible. Its crazy its three rounds and they just kick the Cr@p out of each other and all that. It sounds kind or brutal but it is really fun to do .

There used to be a clip of me Knocking out a kid by hocking him with a left then me nailing him in the right temple with a flying knee on a site. I swear i was so proud of myself . The kid wasnt really heart of course just knocked out .

[D+F+P=Hadouken!]

TKD here, I quit after I was eight and got internal bleeding in a sparring match.

[telkanuru]

With all the accidents you apparently have, I'm quite surprised you're still alive, let alone able to walk

[D+F+P=Hadouken!]

It healed after a while, but I puked blood for a while.

[Fencing Passion]

Wow man thats crazy. Ive never gotten messed up that bad doin this kind of stuff . Get this ive never had a broken bone and ive been in martial arts for a long time ( and alot of this is like full contact stuff ).

Also i think martial arts is great as u can all see . It gives confedents, keeps you in shape, teaches you desiplen, honor, and to be humble. We are lacking alot of these things in socitiy today.

Also i would like to note that i havent been in a fight other then sparing since the 2nd grade and that wasnt my fault ( that was my only fight ).

[D+F+P=Hadouken!]

Sparring is tough, but a bokken duel, over a girl, that is serene. You fight by the side of a lake, bokkens, till one of you gives up. I had my only duel at 4:00 am, and it was painful, bloody, and very zen. It feels almost like you can hear the grass grow, because you are that aware and afraid, of that hard wood, cracking your bones, that every mistake isnt just a point for the opponent, but chance to get really battered up. It is hardcore man, but there is nothing that compares, not even fencing.

[Fencing Passion]

In a very diffrent way i think kick boxing does compare . You can hear all your friends cheering for you but you still dont notice it as you watch ure advasary advance and dance around the ring wondering how you can beat him, and the pain is just as bad. A powerfull muy tie kick to the shins and legs can make you spin with pain and i dont even want to start with a nicely placed kick or hock to the temple .

[ReverseLunge]

Lets face it. The only thing that works is grappling. Kick boxing works in the ring with kick boxing rule. In real life it might start of with kicks and punches but unless you can stop your opponent with the first kick or punch it will end up on the ground. Even Bruce Lee said that out of all the martial arts, Judo was the most realistic.

[Grey]

Mixed Martial Arts.

[Inquartata]

Originally Posted by D+F+P=Hadouken!

Sparring is tough, but a bokken duel, over a girl, that is serene. You fight by the side of a lake, bokkens, till one of you gives up. I had my only duel at 4:00 am, and it was painful, bloody, and very zen. It feels almost like you can hear the grass grow, because you are that aware and afraid, of that hard wood, cracking your bones, that every mistake isnt just a point for the opponent, but chance to get really battered up. It is hardcore man, but there is nothing that compares, not even fencing.

Take a bow, Mr. Darwin...

[Fencing Passion]

As a long time seriouse martial artist i think most fights do end on the ground, but not all and kick boxing is a great way to get your opponent down to the ground without you having to fallow to win the fight. Dont lecture me on bruce lee because most of my martial arts are based on him and his training. We learn and teach how to grapple and ground pound ( in my eyes a much easier more affective way to fight on the ground, it incorperates knee and elbow drops from small distances that still do maximum amount of damage ). But dont tell me the only good fighters are grapplers, my best friend is one of the highest ranked highschool wrestlers in the state and we mess around and spar alot ( full contact ) and i beat him just as much as he beats me.

RL i dont want to carry on what i said in a certain thread to this or any others. You know my opinions of you.

P.S. I dont think many or any people on these forums know more about real fighting then me and the people i train with so dont try and pretend you do .

[ReverseLunge]

"and i beat him just as much as he beats me."

You guys need to get a hotel room

"P.S. I dont think many or any people on these forums know more about real fighting then me and the people i train with so dont try and pretend you do"

How much could you know? You can't even hear the grassjopper at your feet.

[Tireur]

Originally Posted by Fencing Passion

P.S. I dont think many or any people on these forums know more about real fighting then me and the people i train with so dont try and pretend you do .

hahaha

Your bio says "young but not imcompetent" I guess that's right.....

[Maeve_Mari]

Originally Posted by Tireur

hahaha

Your bio says "young but not imcompetent" I guess that's right.....

*wink*
And so it goes.

[Delmont91]

"P.S. I dont think many or any people on these forums know more about real fighting then me and the people i train with so dont try and pretend you do"


Obviously you still need lots of work. A core belief in almost all martial arts is humility. You have no idea how much training other people on these boards have. Comming in and saying you know more than everyone is idiotic. So lets ask, how many years have you trained, and what styles. What rank (if the school used them) did you achieve in each? Do you know what Bruce Lee's teaching actually were? Do you know what his philosophy on training? Before you go making a claim like that prove it.

[bjacobs]

Fencing Passion, where do you train? You mentioned Bruce Lee plus mma, making me guess you're at something similar to a progressive JKD gym like Straight Blast Gyms. Good stuff. I just train bjj myself, I'd love a chance to learn some kick boxing myself, which of course is useful despite what Reverselunge said.

As to Fencing Passion's martial arts experience...someone who trains mma almost certainly knows more about martial arts than someone who thinks the "core belief in almost all martial arts is humility." The core of all good martial arts is effective fighting technique and training, which has nothing to do with enlightenment, tradition, humility, or any other nonsense.

[Delmont91]

Maybe I like the philosophy a bit more, but without humility you can not learn. The arts that teach only fighting tech and no humility, or respect, or self control, or avoidance are either for competition or are useless. That philosophy and tradition you so easily dismiss is what sets the student to most effectively learn and use thier knowledge effectively. Most people who have studied martial arts a long time develop a sense of humility, something like "not many people on this board, in this bar, in this school, whatever know more about fighting than me" would not be uttered.

Now on to other matters. Kickboxing is good, learn as much as you can and then incorperate what works for you. Just like any other style. I don't consider highschool wrestling to be an effective grappling style as those who get really good at train thier bodies to follow the rules. They reflexively will do things that, while stopping them from getting pinned, open up much more vulnerable areas. I think he was saying that the best fighters are grapplers due to the first few USF and Pride competitions where grappling orriented fighters swept the competitions. Quite literally whiping the floor with the stand up fighters.

[bjacobs]

If he trains in mma, not many people on this board no more about fighting about him. If he trains it as seriously as the average person on this board fences, possibly no one on this board knows more about fighting than him. So while he may or may not be polite, he's probably right.

Martial arts shouldn't be expected to teach more about humility, discipline, character etc. more than any other rigorous pursuit, such as fencing. Of course a disciplined student who works hard will learn faster. Of course you need to control your ego, for the same reason you do in fencing: you need to be willing to lose trying to work on your weaknesses in practice instead of winning by sticking to just your strengths. But martial arts that are about learning to fight aren't philosophy courses.

On to other matters: a person with folkstyle (the style taught in high school) wrestling has a great base to work from. The emphasis on avoiding pins is a problem, they tend to give up their backs, but they can be taught not to do this in, say, two hours. That leaves them with tremendous take down abilities, and take down defenses. Teach them a few basic things about protecting their faces when they shoot and a few basic submissions and you have a pretty effective guy.

[Delmont91]

I like that reply, agrees while disagreeing. Well done. i think we have a different view. I have a problem with the arrogant martial artist. I've seen too many of them say things similar and then get stomped. Saying you know more about anything than someone else that you haven't met is pure arrogance. I may (and do) agree with almost everything else he said except that part. Its like me saying I probubly know more about pistol shooting than almost anyone on these boards because i'm training for SWAT. Any martial art teaches disipline over anything else. It may not be conciously stressed, but it takes alot of disipline to take all the pain, get your *** handed to you and then come back. Its why many people quit. But I am more than willing to admit that many styles don't put any emphasis on humility or lack of arrogance. The problem I have with this is its a much harder fall when they meet someone who is better, staying humble makes it so you don't have to eat your words later.

As for wrestling, you are 100% correct. Thats one of the reasons I did it for 4 years. You get some nice take downs and many of the pins they teach are quite nasty with a little tweaking.