03-18-2004, 11:30 PM
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#1 | | Senior Member
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| Purchasing Italian Grip Foil
Could someone enlightened me to where a complete italian grip foil is sold? I live in Singapore and none of the suppliers here sell them. Also, I also require a wrist strap with me. (2 pin prong for italian grip).
Also reading along some of the past records, 'It' mentioned to have FIE italian blades. Perhaps if anyone could inform me of where such blades can be found? Or at least italian blades which has high quality?
And also, how is the Negrini Italian grip Foil and wrist strap like?
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03-18-2004, 11:35 PM
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#2 | | Armorer
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| Negrini is the place to go. They sell direct internationally.
There are no FIE Homologated Italian-style blades being produced. If you want an FIE blade for an Italian foil, you'll need to use a false ricasso (which Negrini can provide).
-Dave
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03-20-2004, 07:28 AM
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| Just curious,how different is an Italian grip from a French one besidest the two ring things and does it offer any advantages?What about the blades?Are the Italian-style blades any different from the normal ones?
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03-20-2004, 09:43 AM
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| Yes, its alot different. The ricasso (crossbar) offers a totally different style of play. The grip is straight, rather than the (slightly) curved french grip and shorter. The blade goes pass the guard and flattens into a rectangular shape before the tang (of course the grip covers it) and the tang starts at the ricasso if I'm not wrong.
My best advice is to look at a picture of it like on the allstar-fencing.com website.
Of what I know of the usages of the italian grip, I read from Aldo Nadi's On Fencing. The italian grip boasts of course, a better grip than the french grip and equal precision as the better grip eases the fingers to place mroe effort on accuracy than stablizing the weapon. It allows beats, disengages and coupes equally well.
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03-20-2004, 09:45 AM
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Originally Posted by neevel Negrini is the place to go. They sell direct internationally.
There are no FIE Homologated Italian-style blades being produced. If you want an FIE blade for an Italian foil, you'll need to use a false ricasso (which Negrini can provide).
-Dave | Though the older fencers I've talked to who have used the false ricasso with the modified French blade hate it. The most common complaints seem to be that the balance is all wrong and the blade doesn't feel right. I recently saw an electric Italian from Fencing Post which the owner claimed was less expensive than the price Negrini is getting for the blade alone in the US.
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03-20-2004, 10:07 AM
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| There has to be a reason why Aldo Nadi was such an accomplish fencer!
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03-20-2004, 05:21 PM
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| Yes, but it's probably the weapon he was, not the one he used... | |
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03-20-2004, 07:41 PM
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| Which also proves that the italian grip was no less inferior when properly used.
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03-21-2004, 04:04 AM
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| There really are fencers under the age of eighty who use Italian grips for competition weapons?
Huh. I be damned.
I've been looking all over for you guys, for purely curious reasons.
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03-22-2004, 01:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Grey Which also proves that the italian grip was no less inferior when properly used. | Sure. But then, Musashi supposedly won a fight against multiple opponents with a wooden "sword" he carved out of a boat oar. In the hands of a master, any weapon will serve.... | |
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03-22-2004, 02:03 AM
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| A wooden oar is WAY longer than a sword... So we should all modify our weapons and affix longer blades?
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03-22-2004, 03:04 AM
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Originally Posted by Grey A wooden oar is WAY longer than a sword... So we should all modify our weapons and affix longer blades? |
The story doesn't indicate that he carved it longer than a real sword, so we can't draw conclusions... | |
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03-22-2004, 07:37 AM
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| Logically to survive, one would use a longer weapon =)
ps : pardon the side-tracking but I couldn't resist a few jokes.
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03-22-2004, 08:20 AM
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03-24-2004, 12:00 AM
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| Personally, I love the Italian foil. I don't know if it's any better than pistol or french grips, but at least equally as good. At least I don't do any worse with it. I usually fence it with a strap but sometimes I don't. With gives better strength and more control, but it's a bit hard to move around. I got mine from Fencing Post, but I've heard the Negrini ones are great (albeit more expensive).
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03-24-2004, 07:50 PM
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Originally Posted by FoilyGeezer Though the older fencers I've talked to who have used the false ricasso with the modified French blade hate it. The most common complaints seem to be that the balance is all wrong and the blade doesn't feel right. I recently saw an electric Italian from Fencing Post which the owner claimed was less expensive than the price Negrini is getting for the blade alone in the US. | This is correct, as far as the "feel" of a false ricasso goes.
Also, I can't stand the Negrini ones. If at all possible, get them from Uhlmann/Fencing Post.
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