Proposed foil tip

[Prometheus]

So, the foil rule changes have specs for some fancy new tip...

Why can't you just use an eppe tip with a really short contact spring?

Correct me if I am wrong, but the two mm travel is going to require a dramatic update to the scoring circut anyway.

[Purple Fencer]

Originally Posted by Prometheus

So, the foil rule changes have specs for some fancy new tip...

Why can't you just use an eppe tip with a really short contact spring?

Nope...the threads are different sizes...

[neevel]

Epee points also work on a different principle: closing the normally open contact between two wires, instead of breaking a normally closed contact between a single wire and the blade.

-Dave

[Prometheus]

Originally Posted by neevel

Epee points also work on a different principle: closing the normally open contact between two wires, instead of breaking a normally closed contact between a single wire and the blade.

-Dave

I was assuming that the curcit was going to be changed, since the effect of having a normally closed loop was that any displacement of the point causes a break in the signal. Does the proposed tip design involve an NC swich with a travel of 2mm before it opens?

Also, If anyone has a link to the design I would be curious to see it.

Edit: Clarity

[DHCJr]

The tip I saw worked with 2 spring, the normal spring and a second spring that held a collar in place. The collar and post would remain in contact for 2 mm keeping the short in the weapon as Dave described. Considering the time factor, it would be hard to require something that only exists as a prototype.

But it has been done in the past. At the '56 games, the weapons, body cords and lames, and rubber suits were supplied by the organizers.

[Purple Fencer]

Originally Posted by DHCJr

The tip I saw worked with 2 spring, the normal spring and a second spring that held a collar in place. The collar and post would remain in contact for 2 mm keeping the short in the weapon as Dave described. Considering the time factor, it would be hard to require something that only exists as a prototype.

But it has been done in the past. At the '56 games, the weapons, body cords and lames, and rubber suits were supplied by the organizers.

Rubber suits???

[DHCJr]

Remember these were relay boxes. How many people have been shocked with older boxes, even after the relay boxes? There were no deaths or even serious, but it did cause problems when both fencers KNEW someone had hit.

[yeoldearmourer]

Hey Donald,

You have to remenber this most of these fencers have never see a relay box. Like why a lot of the older fencers carryed two to three gloves and some a spare jacket.

[Prometheus]

Ok, that makes sense.
And replacing tips is quite a bit less expensive then replacing scoring machines.

Thanks all.

[veeco]

In the latest version of Escrime magazine, on the FIE website, there is an interview with Rene Roch (as there is in all of the Escrime magazines, it seems). In it there is a short explanation of what the Mangiarotti point is. Nothing really useful for an armourer or an equipment vendor, but it might give some curious people more information: http://www.fie.ch/download/magazines...azine%2047.pdf

It's in English, Spanish and French

[DHCJr]

Veeco, you beat me to the punch. For those who can read French, the new rules are out there in the same magazine. In the Modifications to the rules there is the requirement of the new tip. But nowhere, even in the appendix, there is nothing on what the tip is. There is the specifications of the machine. They do have specifically where FIE does not always mean maragin. It is interesting the changes.