Sectional and Div2/div3 qualifers

[mtarascio]

Whoa. Why is it 30% in case 1 and 25% in case 2 (for the number who qualify to Division III)?

It is 25%.


And would veterans who attend either event be qualified, or is it just the Division II qualifiers?

Must fence Division 2 qualifier.

I'd suggest everyone look at the National Newsletter which was in the last American Fencing magazine. The qualifying paths to Summer Nationals is on page 4 and 5.

[Victor]

... Those who already qualify by being automatics to Division III (by doing well in the Division II qualifiers) may choose to sit out the Division III qualifiers, or may no longer be eligible to even attend the event, depending on how well they placed.

Sorta true, but for the wrong reason.

Consider the Athlete Programs Handbook. At Div II and III tournaments? Classification is only considered when the entry is processed by the USFA. (Chap.1.4g)

So a D fencer who wins his C isn't necessarily a C yet for purposes of another event in the same tourney, as long as he had already been entered as a D beforehand.

One would assume the same holds true for local events as well. He could compete in the section's Div-III qualifier after winning his Div-II qualification, at the same tourney.

... BUT the issue would be made moot later when he tried to enter the Div-III national tourney with his new, higher rating.

[edew]

The D would now be a C if the Division III qualifiers are held on a different (presumably later) date. And what about the 25% vs 30%. Was that a typo?

[Victor]

The D would now be a C if the Division III qualifiers are held on a different (presumably later) date. And what about the 25% vs 30%. Was that a typo?

Ah. So you were implying a different tournament rather than events held at the same general time. Right-o. Didn't see that in your post. ... At the same qualifying tournament, however, the winner of a Div-II event could still compete in a Div-III event. (Whether it would do him any good later is a separate matter, as I noted earlier.)

[mtarascio]

A fencer who is a D or under fencer who earns his C rating in a Div 2/3 qualifying event qualifies for and can fence in the Div 2 and Div 3 Summer Nationals.

[edew]

While the possibility of otherwise is highly unlikely, the fact that a person earns a C in the Division II/III event does not automatically make him or her qualified to the Division II or Division III event.

That's not in the qualification path rules. (That is, nowhere in the qualifying paths to Summer National events does it say, "if a fencer earns a C in the Division II/III SNQ, then the fencer qualifies for Division II and Division III.")

I've determined that there's no scenario where one can earn a C classification at the Division II/III event and not be eligible to compete in either Division II or Division III or both (assuming the person started with a D or lower). Still, the statement is incorrect insofar as that the implication does not exist in the rules.

[KShan5[PrFC]]

Question about qualifying for div II

This JOs I got Cadet Sabre points, I then aged out. One of the ways to qualify for div II is to qualify for cadet nationals, which can be qualified for by having cadet national points. Now becasue I have the points that won't roll over until next JOs, do I also qualify for Div II? The reason I ask is that I am missing the intermediate step of qualifying for cadet nationals.

[mtarascio]

A fencer who is a D or under fencer who earns his C rating in a Div 2/3 qualifying event qualifies for and can fence in the Div 2 and Div 3 Summer Nationals.

EDEW, You are correct as I did not make myself clear.

My intent was to say that one qualifies for both Division 2 and 3 if they go in to the qualifying event with a classification of D or lower if they meet the 25% qualification rule.

[afc fencer]

Question about qualifying for div II

This JOs I got Cadet Sabre points, I then aged out. One of the ways to qualify for div II is to qualify for cadet nationals, which can be qualified for by having cadet national points. Now becasue I have the points that won't roll over until next JOs, do I also qualify for Div II? The reason I ask is that I am missing the intermediate step of qualifying for cadet nationals.

I dont think you do because it says you have to qualify for cadet summer nats and since you aged out your not qualified to fence it. Look on the usfa website they have a list of all that auto qualify.

[mollusk]

Must fence Division 2 qualifier.

I'd suggest everyone look at the National Newsletter which was in the last American Fencing magazine. The qualifying paths to Summer Nationals is on page 4 and 5.

I looked it up and noticed the following wording:

'For 2004, the Veterans Age Championships will be held in three age categories: "40-49" as of 1/1/04; "50-59", [9/2/44-9/1/54] and "60 and older" [9/1/44 or earlier] as of Sept. 1, 2004.'

I was born in May of 1954 so I was 49 years old on 1/1/04, and hence meet the age requirement of "40-49" and was born within the time frame for "50-59". So am I eligible for both, only one but I have the choice, or only the 50-59 group? In foil (my weapon) the 40-49 and 50-59 events are on different days so I wouldn't run into the only one individual event per day rule. It might be fun to fence in both if I can manage to find the time to get away.

[Peach]

Alas, you are only eligible for one age group. It has to do with your birth year in relation to the date of the World Veterans Championships. Since the 40-49 event is not fenced in the Worlds, I don't think they've bothered to change the posted eligibility dates.

So you'd compete in the 50-59 championships (fencers must have been born between September 2, 1944 and September 1, 1954 inclusive).

At any rate, it is unfair to the young whippersnappers to require them to compete in the same championships event as someone with your age and experience.