http://www.fencing.net/forums Political News and Discussions. en Sat, 21 Nov 2009 00:43:17 GMT vBulletin 60 http://www.fencing.net/forums/images/fencing_net/misc/rss.jpg http://www.fencing.net/forums http://www.fencing.net/forums/thread46896.html Wed, 18 Nov 2009 22:41:53 GMT http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/cia-se...ory?id=9115978

The CIA built one of its secret European prisons inside an exclusive riding academy outside Vilnius, Lithuania, a current Lithuanian government official and a former U.S. intelligence official told ABC News this week.

At first, I thought this was a joke but it's on ABC, not The Onion, so it may actually have some legitimacy.

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/lithua...ory?id=8874887

The CIA built or housed al Qaeda detainees in several countries around the world before President Obama ordered them closed shortly after assuming office earlier this year. Among the countries were Thailand, Afghanistan, Morocco, in addition to the three eastern European nations, according to more than a dozen former and current intelligence officials.

In more positive news:

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/story?id=7847478&page=1

The CIA has reportedly cut its ties to the two psychologists credited for being the architects of the CIA's brutal interrogation program after 9/11, a news report said yesterday. Dr. James Mitchell and Dr. Bruce Jessen, who suggested and supervised waterboarding at secret prisons around the world have been told their services are no longer needed. Mitchell and Jessen, according to their associates, boasted of being paid $1,000 a day by the CIA to oversee the use of the technique on top al Qaeda suspects.

My only question is: What took you so long? ]]> Politics lindajdunn http://www.fencing.net/forums/thread46896.html http://www.fencing.net/forums/thread46886.html Wed, 18 Nov 2009 17:16:40 GMT It shouldn't matter which side of the political spectrum you are on...this seems just plain wrong.

Bumperstickers, t-shirts...even teddy bears are being sold with the logo:

"Pray for Obama: Psalms 109:8."

On the surface...maybe a nice sentiment, until you see the verse and its two companions, which read in part:
"May his days be few, may another take over his position. May his children be orphans and his wife a widow. Let his children be continually vagabonds, and beg: let them seek their bread also out of their desolate places." ]]> Politics Capt. Slo-mo http://www.fencing.net/forums/thread46886.html http://www.fencing.net/forums/thread46883.html Wed, 18 Nov 2009 15:52:18 GMT http://theplumline.whorunsgov.com/ca...sorry-for-her/

I've read at least 18 accounts disputed from the book and I do NOT consider these to be lies or fabrications. Let's face it, most of us don't have perfect recall and when we tell people about things that happened in the past, those stories sometimes morph over time. [Especially when sizes of fish that got away are involved.]

One of the accounts listed here is one where I'm more inclined to believe the aid than to believe Palin's ghostwriter.

Palin claims in her new book that she agreed to sit down with Couric partly because she felt sorry for her, after senior McCain adviser Nicolle Wallace told her that Couric suffered from self-esteem problems. It’s understandable that Palin would try to deflect blame for the interview: It was a disaster that hastened her unmasking as unqualified for the presidency.

“It’s not true,” the McCain adviser I just reached said, laughing heartily at the claim. “It’s ridiculous.”

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009...ok-fact-check/

Palin supporters believe 11 reporters poring over every word of her book is excessive- and further proof of the media's obsession and maltreatment of the hockey mom from Wasilla.

http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2009...act-Check.html

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/politic...X9ucD5h7KMdcgJ

And now there's even lists of lists for people to fact-check the statements in the book.

MediaMatters, of course, also had a listing of errors found:

http://mediamatters.org/research/200911150011

My opinion: The publisher should have taken a little longer to release the book and run it through some copy editors and fact checkers first.

Lynn Vincent, Palin's ghostwriter, has signed a non-disclosure agreement.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lynn_Vincent ]]> Politics lindajdunn http://www.fencing.net/forums/thread46883.html http://www.fencing.net/forums/thread46836.html Mon, 16 Nov 2009 20:37:40 GMT As Obama makes his way around Asia, it's interesting to see how the Chinese view him. Here is a popular T-Shirt that's in style with the youth of China. They love him!





It's great that our Obama is thought to be the next coming of Mao, the architect of that great peace movement and Renaissance period known as the cultural revolution.

For those not familiar with Mao and his people's revolution, here a link.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_Revolution


I guess the Chinese might be co-conspirators in the VRWC. :blockhead ]]> Politics Slim http://www.fencing.net/forums/thread46836.html http://www.fencing.net/forums/thread46714.html Thu, 12 Nov 2009 23:06:38 GMT http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/11/10/fox-news-fact-checks-sara_n_353210.html Discuss! http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/1..._n_353210.html

Discuss! ]]> Politics Gav http://www.fencing.net/forums/thread46714.html http://www.fencing.net/forums/thread46712.html Thu, 12 Nov 2009 21:14:20 GMT http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...T2009042801406

discuss. ]]> Politics telkanuru http://www.fencing.net/forums/thread46712.html http://www.fencing.net/forums/thread46687.html Thu, 12 Nov 2009 00:34:01 GMT Lou Dobbs says he is leaving CNN
AP - 11/11/2009 9:20:42 AM

"CNN host Lou Dobbs says he is leaving CNN effective immediately.

The longtime host of "Lou Dobbs Tonight" said Wednesday on his show that it would be his last. He said CNN had allowed him to be released from his contact, which would enable him "to pursue new opportunities."

He said he was considering a number of options.

The longest-running anchor on CNN's air, Dobbs was one of the nation's leading financial journalists before turning his program in a more opinionated direction. His persistent advocacy against illegal immigration angered many."


Also see http://mediadecoder.blogs.nytimes.co...to-depart-cnn/

My opinion is "Good Riddance". ]]> Politics jeff http://www.fencing.net/forums/thread46687.html http://www.fencing.net/forums/thread46638.html Tue, 10 Nov 2009 15:32:37 GMT There are enough instances about Obama and his arrogance that I think we can keep a thread going for years on the issue. After all, I don't think it will end anytime soon. I love this article:

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/to...ll-ceremonies/ ]]> Politics Bayou Bum http://www.fencing.net/forums/thread46638.html http://www.fencing.net/forums/thread46620.html Mon, 09 Nov 2009 11:12:10 GMT http://www.fox.com/wanda/ I wonder how long this talk show will last. In her first monologue, she bites the hand that feeds her. http://moxnews.com/?p=83 http://www.fox.com/wanda/

I wonder how long this talk show will last. In her first monologue, she bites the hand that feeds her.

http://moxnews.com/?p=83 ]]> Politics lindajdunn http://www.fencing.net/forums/thread46620.html http://www.fencing.net/forums/thread46591.html Sun, 08 Nov 2009 05:14:32 GMT .....now onto the Senate. Yay for healthcare! Not too syked about taxing those who *choose* to opt out though. Amendment much? .....now onto the Senate.

Yay for healthcare! Not too syked about taxing those who choose to opt out though. Amendment much? ]]> Politics thereom4 http://www.fencing.net/forums/thread46591.html http://www.fencing.net/forums/thread46459.html Wed, 04 Nov 2009 23:12:12 GMT Just in case people think we in the US have conflicts over office holders, read the following - which includes the official response to a (basically) "get lost!" message:

http://www.number10.gov.uk/Page21213

Ya just can't please everybody, can you? :) ]]> Politics jeff http://www.fencing.net/forums/thread46459.html http://www.fencing.net/forums/thread46411.html Mon, 02 Nov 2009 15:08:12 GMT At the risk of upsetting the eco-nazis, let's discuss how recycling programs are nothing more than ways of indoctrinating people into becoming environmentalists. Why do I say that? First of all, it is not efficient by market standards. Secondly, it DOESN'T EVEN REDUCE POLLUTION as more fuels are burned by transporting, sorting, and recycling the materials than just creating new ones and dumping them in landfills. So if it's not economically beneficial and not environmentally beneficial, there must be some purpose. What is the real purpose then? ]]> Politics chase http://www.fencing.net/forums/thread46411.html http://www.fencing.net/forums/thread46335.html Fri, 30 Oct 2009 10:41:19 GMT No doubt this is a good example of the "efficiency" we should come to expect with the 1900 page Obama care bill.

http://money.cnn.com/2009/10/28/auto...ysis/index.htm

I guess Edmunds is another member of the VRWC? ]]> Politics Slim http://www.fencing.net/forums/thread46335.html http://www.fencing.net/forums/thread46142.html Fri, 23 Oct 2009 20:13:04 GMT http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_IAN...layer_embedded ]]> Politics jeff http://www.fencing.net/forums/thread46142.html http://www.fencing.net/forums/thread46138.html Fri, 23 Oct 2009 16:07:53 GMT Wise move or not? http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1009/28638.html Bad advisors, or is Obama less concerned about crossing party lines than advertised? Wise move or not?

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1009/28638.html

Bad advisors, or is Obama less concerned about crossing party lines than advertised? ]]> Politics Slim http://www.fencing.net/forums/thread46138.html