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I can die happy. At 1:30 I was on the strip in DEs and I was fit to be tied. My opponent was a girl I had beaten before, but not easily, and my mind was in a turmoil about being late for an appointment. Was I gonna throw the bout to get on with my day? No way. I just got down to business and beat her 15-2. Very satisfying, even though I had to scratch the next DE. Do you suppose some people need pressure like that to fence well?
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  #7 New 05-06-2008 11:30 PM
Tonight I was so furious I walked out of the club after footwork, even though I'd been looking forward all week for fencing night. My sense of justice was horribly bruised after an argument about ratings. Iam even even more hurt, realizing I had been used to manipulate ratings. I was asked to fence epee one day just to get enough bodies to make it a rated tournament. I placed third, and was thrilled to death. I also directed a bout that I am very suspicious was thrown so the lesser rated fencer could earn a rating, but there was nothing I could do about it. I thought this was a gentleman's sport! I feel soo... cheapened.
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#2 05-07-2008 03:59 PM
oiuyt Says:
It's a card, but it's a hard card to throw.

One has to be REALLY certain to even think about it. Even taking the fencers aside and verbally alerting them of your suspicions is an extraordinarily difficult proposition.

Especially if the fencers are even halfway competent about masking it.

Anecdote from when I was a collegiate fencer (I was at the tournament but did not witness this bout): At NCAA regionals two teammates (not my team) were fencing MF. One was a several-time All-American, the other.... wasn't that caliber.

Bout starts with 4 quick touches, all flicks by the All-American. 4-0.

The next 4-5 actions were the All-American basically standing there and letting his teammate score. 4-4.

One more quick flick and it was over. 5-4. The All-American made an off-handed comment to a friend from another team that his coach had said one should never beat a teammate by any other score.

That's about as blatent as one can get.

It did not draw a card. It certainly SHOULD have, but it didn't.

I've seen suspicious bouts before. I've seen bouts that looked suspicious but which I'm fairly certain were completely legit. I've seen bouts where a priori there was talk about the possibilities, and then the actual fencing left no question in anyone's mind but that they were completely legit. I've had people admit to me that they threw a bout. Or brag about how they were part of a conspiracy to ensure the "right" person won a tournament. It's rare in our sport, but it does happen.

Adding bodies to make tournaments higher classified isn't cheating. It's completely an artifact of our stupid classification system that eventually needs to get fixed, but it's not wrong.

Throwing bouts is. Done compentently, however, it's very hard to sanction other than through unofficial means such as peer pressure.

-B
#1 05-07-2008 01:31 AM
catwood1 Says:
Not that I'm saying you should have given the card, but throwing a bout is a black cardable offense. You can always remind the fencers of this if you suspect its going on.
 



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