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I am the owner and founder of the Sheridan Fencing Academy in NYC. After earning my fencing master degree under--and spending several years training with--Zbigniew Czajkowski in Katowice, Poland, I have for the last few years been coaching in the US. I have trained top youth and teen fencers in sabre and epee; most recently ('07-'08): CWS Junior Olympics silver medalist; Y12 WS Summer Nationals finalist; JWS Summer Nationals finalist. This blog contains advice for both fencers and coaches.
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  #18 New 05-23-2008 03:19 AM
People generally look at talent as some magical quality that you either have or you don't. Coaches hope to find the elusive talented individual that will become a great fencer. Athletes admire the talent of the top competitors.

Talent, however, is an illusion.

The greatest factor separating the "talented" from "untalented" is their beliefs. While athletes may be different sizes and strengths, and have differing levels of coordination, their ability to perform and achieve greatness is defined by their beliefs. The quality that will determine a person's ability to achieve something is their belief in that ability. "Untalented" people believe that they are less capable. Because of their belief, they unconsciously limit themselves.

Beliefs are determined by experience. Experiences of failure--especially in childhood--can cause a person to associate themselves with that failure. They believe that they should fail. Similarly, experiences of success have a positive influence on a person's belief system. As soon as a belief is in place, a person will unconsciously seek to reaffirm it. The student who believes he is bad at math will be very clumsy with numbers; the child who believes himself to be athletic will seek out sports and learn them more quickly.

It's important to recognize that these traits have nothing to do with "reality". They are products of belief systems.

An example of the influence of belief on athletic performance can be seen in the phenomenon of "relative age effect" (pdf). Children born during the earlier part of a cut-off period in an age-restricted sports league generally fair better competitively than those born at the later end due to developmental differences (the physiological and psychological differences between a 10 and 11 year old can be enormous). The result is the older children are more successful and have higher numbers of representation as adults in professional sports. These children grew up experiencing success and therefore came to believe that it should be expected--resulting in greater performance and continued success. The younger children grew up with fewer success experiences and were, therefore, less likely to develop the belief systems that would allow them to excel--and more likely to develop one that would inhibit success.

Other factors can also influence belief systems: parental support, childhood trauma, late onset of puberty, etc.

Belief systems, however, are not unchangeable. The secret in turning an untalented fencer into a talented one (and, for that matter, a talented fencer into a truly exceptional one) is to change the limiting beliefs that are undermining progress.

Some of the limiting beliefs will be very easy to identify. Negative statements like, "I'm a slow learner," "I'm no good at this," "I always get this wrong," are rooted in limiting beliefs.

One way to alter beliefs is through visualization. Much in the way you might employ ideomotor training to improve technique, you can visualize yourself succeeding where you believe you should fail. Imagine yourself using a wide array of techniques and tactics to beat an opponent against whom you inexplicably always lose. Visualize yourself behaving with characteristics of a confident, superior fencer. See yourself as a dominant being. While you imagine these things, you should be creating positive emotional associations with them. When your habitual doubts appear, let them go and continue to focus on the image and the positive emotions. Reinforce new beliefs through the "virtual" experiences that you visualize.

Coaches should recognize that it is their students' beliefs that are determining their talent. If the coach can help fencers identify and change limiting beliefs, he will find his group progressing tremendously. All of his students will be "talented".

The only way to alter beliefs is through practice. Recognize that there is no reason that you need to continue to have any particular belief about yourself and practice changing it. You will become as talented as you can believe you are.

An excellent resource to better understand belief systems and how they can be changed is Maxwell Maltz' Psycho-Cybernetics. Published in 1960 (and not to be confused with the more recent, and commercially opportunistic, The "New" Psycho-Cybernetics), it has had tremendous influence on both the "self-improvement" industry as well as sports psychology.
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#12 05-30-2008 11:14 PM
Jason Says:
Allen,
When I first started training with Czajkowski, I found that often when I would ask him questions which I thought to be straight-forward, he would answer in a way that seemed to, in my opinion, completely miss the point of the question.

After a while, I began to understand that the "straight-forward" questions I was asking were based on assumptions with which he didn't agree. His answers were, in fact, explanations of a different framework in which to be thinking about the sport. (I suggested the title "Understanding Fencing" for exactly this reason.)

One of the most important things (and there were many important things) I got from my coaching education was a new way to look at fencing--a new framework in which to think about it.

In many of my entries, I'm trying to demonstrate a different kind of framework from which to approach the sport and the way it's taught. Much like the way our beliefs affect our potential, our beliefs about fencing affect our ability to teach.

The "mental framework" precedes and informs any discussion of, say, technique.

(Additionally, a lot of my entries deal with things that I rarely see written in English about fencing.)
#11 05-30-2008 11:39 AM
Allen Evans Says:
Jason:

I find it somewhat interesting that considering your background, most of your posts are concerned with many "intangibles": behavior and qualities that a coach may be able to influence, but only indirectly.

Allen
#10 05-27-2008 01:05 PM
Jason Says:
I agree that talent is an advantage. But "talent" is the result of proper beliefs. In other words, with the right mental training, anyone can be talented.

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Not anyone, however, can have 16,000 views to one blog entry in the course of two days. What the hell is going on? Is there some kind of bug? Was a link to this page attached to spam or something? I know my writings are brilliant, but this seems excessive...
#9 05-27-2008 12:18 PM
lindajdunn Says:
In a nutshell, we agree more than we disagree.

I think talent is NOT an illusion, but very real and very much an advantage (when properly nutured).

I consider talent to be the natural abilities or qualities that one takes with them to a given task. Thus, my example of singing as something that's easy to see/hear.

OTOH, the race doesn't always go to the swiftest horse; sometimes the race is won by the slower horse ridden by a better jockey.
#8 05-26-2008 10:06 PM
Jason Says:
Linda,
I don't know anything about singing. In the context of fencing (and most everything else), however, a statement to the effect of "I will never be able to [whatever] well, no matter how much effort or training could be provided" is an example of exactly the kind of limiting belief system that prevents someone from being "talented".

It's exactly this kind of thinking that a coach should be looking for--and looking to change--when he encounters an "untalented" student.

Of course, when dealing with adult students, beliefs can be extremely difficult to change for numerous reasons.
#7 05-25-2008 08:35 AM
lindajdunn Says:
I've had this debate several times in a different venue and the general concensus is that talent is what you bring with you and that hard work and no talent will get you further than talent and no work. However, someone with talent and a good work ethic will go further.

As an example, I point to people who will never be able to sing well (myself included) no matter how much effort or training could be provided.
#6 05-25-2008 02:08 AM
RITFencing Says:
I feel that confidence is the basis of competitve success, however, at least a minimum of skill must exist.
#5 05-24-2008 11:40 AM
Jason Says:
Being stronger, faster, and more coordinated is not as substantial as you think. Additionally, with the right belief system, a student will embrace his athleticism and begin to perform better. He will become stronger, faster, and more coordinated. His physical qualities will improve. The kids who come in already demonstrating general fitness characteristics already have those belief systems in place.
#4 05-23-2008 06:53 PM
bigdawg2121 Says:
I think it's misleading to say that talent doesn't exist. Some people are, as you admitted, are stronger, faster, more coordinated etc. While beliefs shape the direction one might choose to take with their individual talents and whether those talents grow or fester they don't entirely take the place of talent itself.
#3 05-23-2008 11:56 AM
Jason Says:
I think the paintball comment is meant to be a supporting argument. However, it sounds--even to me--a little bit like crazy talk. "Talent"--the proper belief set--is only part of what one needs for success. Training is another.
#2 05-23-2008 11:27 AM
oiuyt Says:
Yes, but did he believe that he was good?

I don't know that I completely buy in to Jason's argument, but what you've presented certainly isn't a counter-example. And it's not hard to find "untalented" people who can consistently "outperform". Most, if not all, such people believe in their ability to do so.

-B
#1 05-23-2008 11:22 AM
I agree and disagree.

I know a guy who made a world team, and his only training was NAC's and paintball.
 



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